Once again, a certain person does not like to have his theology question or compared an so I have to copy what should be posted on the main site- modalism and publish it here
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Originally Posted by UntoHim
StG!: Same
Ok, then why is it that you don't apply the very same logic to the various titles of the Holy Spirit given in your post #206? (the Spirit of God, the Spirit of Christ, etc)
StG!: Same as when it says Christ is in us, yet also on the throne. "God was in Christ, reconciling the world to Himself."
Interesting answer! But there is a logical/theological disconnect in your answer again. My question was addressing the relationship of the Father and the Son, (two individuals) but your answer addresses the omnipresence of Christ (one individual)
Although there is an intrinsic, essential dynamic of oneness within the Godhead (cf: I am in the Father and the Father is in me), this dynamic does not confuse, much less obliterate, the relationship between the Father and the Son. A good illustration would be found in John 8: "Yet even if I do judge, my judgment is true, for it is not I alone who judge, but I and the Father who sent me. In your Law it is written that the testimony of two people is true. I am the one who bears witness about myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness about me." (vrs 16-18)
StG!: Agreed. Representation is one aspect, but as you point out there's a deeper, organic aspect too, and this is the real significance - it's this deeper, intrinsic aspect that's key, right? It's like saying my son looks like me. Well of course, but why? Because he shares my DNA.
I disagree that one "aspect" of the Holy Spirit's relationship with the Father and the Son, and indeed with us as believers, has any more significance than the other. For example, the judicial/legal aspect of our "adoption as sons" (Gal 4:5) and "the Spirit of adoption as sons" (Rom 8:15) and "predestined us for adoption to himself as sons" (Eph 1:5) is just as significant as the "organic" aspect in John 14:19 "Because I live, you also will live". and 1 Pet 1:4 "you may become partakers of the divine nature". Witness Lee created a false dichotomy of sorts with his emphasis of the "organic" relationship over the judicial/legal aspect. As a matter of fact, Lee and his followers have implied that his teachings, and his particular emphasis of one aspect over the over other, was "recovered, high peak truth". It should go without saying by now, but I'm here to tell you that Lee's teachings, and Lee's emphases, are neither recovered truth nor high peak. In the end, my dear friend Sons to Glory!, I believe that we will find that the "many sons" will have been "brought to glory" because of, and through, the judicial AND organic aspects. All man-made aspects, emphases, significances, terms, creeds and doctrines will fade away in abject insignificance and utter worthlessness "compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us"(Rom 8:18)
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Untohim, much quoting fro John, but here is what you may want to consider: Jn 5: 26For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, 27and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man. 28Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. 30I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.
We are dependent on the work of Christ. Christ Jesus here explains that he is dependent on the Father. The Father is dependent on no one, the Father is God- eternal, immortal, invisible. All things come out of Him, to Him, and through Him. Hence, the picture given to us that we should pick up is that we would relate to God as Father, Father as God. This is how Jesus lived and taught. God, the eternal God, who is above all, the everlasting one, gave life to Jesus- this is why we have the picture which we humans can understand: Father begat son. Son is dependent on Father, Father is independent- Self sufficient, Self existing, out from Whom come all things. We, through Christ are privileged to enter into this relation; we are privileged to be able to call God Father.
Untohim- all your explanations seem to me to be a dissuasion from considering this supreme blessing that God has wrought, which we should marvel at, appreciate, live by. We are not directed by scripture to delve into strange teachings which were not taught, but to hold to the teachings we were taught.
Witness Lee developed his own strange, ie non-scriptural theology, not given to us by Jesus and the apostles, by taking bits and pieces of scripture and cut and pasting and adding his own thoughts and interpretations and calling that truth and insisting that everyone accept it as such and accept him as the minister of truth, and that everyone buy his literature and study it and repeat it and believe it and live by it, and promote it to others who would buy it. It’s time for those in the LCs to chuck LSM into the cult furnace and return to scripture, and teach it and consider it, and believe it, and live by it.