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Originally Posted by SerenityLives
Where does parameter 3 come from? Black people can marry. Women can marry. gay people cant marry. That’s fair? I disagree, being gay is a state of being which encompasses everything that has to do with gay attractions, including intimacy. Just like you cant take such an important part of being a woman which is also intimacy or black people which is also intimacy. You cant take away the attractions. To deny gay people their rights to marry is to deny their right to intimacy, such an important component of healthy human relations. Yes I understand your post is supposed to be intellectual but you cannot look at the issue of humanity with just this lens. If you tell gay people to only marry within those parameters, thats against their God given nature. The only two choices for them is to not marry or marry an opposite gender with zero intimacy. Thats not the same “rights” as a person who is heterosexual, able to enjoy intimacy in their relationship.
In addition, comparing gay couples to incest or polygamy is like comparing apples to oranges. Gay couples can have lasting healthy relationships within marriage. Incest leads to birth defects. Polygamy can lead to jealousy between the wives. Can you tell me one negative thing gay marriage can lead to for the gay couple? If you look at the condition “clinically” as you said, gayness is not a disease or aberration psychologically, mentally, emotionally.
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Parameter 3 comes from:
1. God
2. the Bible
3. all of human history
4. outward design
5. inward biology
Of course gay people can marry. They can marry anyone within those boundaries just like everyone else. Like I said in my post, the right to marry has not been denied gay people, but the right to marry "whoever I'm attracted to" has NEVER been a blanket right for ANYONE.
Again, this post is going to be clinical and cold. It is not personal towards you. It does not mean I don't care a lot. But the cold hard truth is that COUNTLESS people don't get to have their "right to intimacy", for numerous reasons that have nothing to do with LGBT issues.
-mental retardation
-physical defects
-illness that takes their life prematurely
-car accident paralyzing them, leaving them without the ability to feel sexual pleasure
-heterosexuals for whom God doesn't answer their desperate pleas
-people who were married but their spouses divorced them for unbiblical reasons leaving them unable to remarry and have sex while they wait on their ex-spouse to break the marriage covenant sexually.....I know too many like this
-etc
Life is suffering. Period. We are not here for this world. We are on a plane ride on a broken down plane and we all have to jump with a parachute when the plane goes down. The parachute is Jesus, who saves us from death.
What we've done is think that while we are on this broken down doomed plane we are entitled to everything our heart desires, but that focus is completely wrong.
Remember, you are speaking to someone who knows every second of every day that we don't all have a "right to intimacy" however we want it.
I never compared gay couples to incest. That parameter was on the list, but it wasn't a comparison TO gay couples.
Acting on gay attractions is an aberration, just like all sin. That has been repeated over and over on this thread. Gay marriage is against God's creation. Put some spiritual lenses on and look at the creation of man and woman from God's eyes. Remember, God took woman FROM man. They are part of the same whole. And when they come together again in marriage and in sex, they complete the whole as God designed it. God created it and called it "good". But then humankind comes along and takes two halves that were never meant to be together, never part of the design, never called "good" but is actually called a serious sin in God's eyes, and tries to say that the action of coming together in that way is laudable and holy and approved and blessed by God.
The negative thing that can happen for the gay married couple? Finding out what it means to fall into the hands of the living God who has made it repeatedly clear that homosexuals who practice same-sex relations won't make it into the kingdom of God. Finding out what the wrath of God is. Finding out just how seriously God takes sin. Finding out that God is not all-forgiving, but punishes all sin. Adam and Eve disobeyed one single time, and their punishment was death. I would say that's a pretty negative consequence for gay married couples.
This is the same argument for two committed heterosexuals living together their whole life, having sex but not being married. "What's the one negative thing that can lead to?" Plenty of people do it. It's normal in this society now. But the negative thing is that God has said very clearly that it is sin in His eyes.
Don't mistake God's patience and kindness as His approval.