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Originally Posted by Trapped
The only thing that riles me on these threads is nonsensical "logic", which I have said repeatedly. By the way, the "totally disgusting" comment I made about Ruth and Naomi wasn't even related to their both being the same gender, but being within the same family. And both were clearly heterosexual, with husbands (and children, one of them) and yet somehow you get a lesbian relationship from that? Like I said - my issue is repeatedly with the "logic" presented here. That's the thing - there's not even a HINT of homo-romance in the portions you are trying to wedge it in there! You say you have read the passages, so what on earth are you doing trying to pretend there is a God-approved homo-romance in there from literally out of nowhere?
I'm also guessing from your lack of responding to my asking you three times to confirm that you don't have a problem with two committed heterosexuals living together having sex but not being married......that you think that behavior is okay?
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So Ruth and Naomi were technically not blood related, only through their mother and daughter in law relationships. Wasnt Isaac and Rebecca distant cousins? Anyways, to me there are plenty of hints they have homoromantic love. Ruth wanted to be buried with Naomi, thats very deep love right there. Ruth only married Boaz out of survival and Naomi helped Ruth to survive. After all, they were women with no rights. Boaz was in Naomi’s family? So yeah, everyone’s one happy family. In the end of the story, when Ruth gave birth to her son, the villagers or the people said it was Naomi’s. Not boaz’s. And the bible used the hebrew word of cleave, as in Ruth cleaved onto Naomi, the same word used in Eve cleaving unto Adam.
Okay now to Jonathan and David. It says, “Now when he had finished speaking to Saul, the soul of Jonathan was knit to the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul.“ sounds like they were soulmates. When Jonathan died, David was so distraught he said “My love to you was deeper than that of women”. On top of that, Jonathan stripped in front of David and the two of them kept making covenants, which sounds remotely like marriage covenants or marriage vows. When they made the covenant, it says, “ Now Jonathan again caused David to vow, because he loved him; for he loved him as he loved his own soul”. Saul was so mad at Jonathan that he lashed out at him at the dinner table and used Jonathan’s mother’s name in vain, like “son of a b’**”. It says “Then Saul’s anger was aroused against Jonathan, and he said to him, “You son of a perverse, rebellious woman! Do I not know that you have chosen the son of Jesse (David) to your own shame and to the shame of your mother’s nakedness? 31 For as long as the son of Jesse lives on the earth, you shall not be established, nor your kingdom. Now therefore, send and bring him to me, for he shall surely die.” See, Saul knew about their relationship was more than friendship and disapproved. At the time, if Jonathan were gay, he couldnt have kids so no kids, no kingdom. Reminds me of those family dinners when gay people come out and they have to escape their parents’ wrath. Compare their story to Achilles and Patroclus, two greek gays where one also died in battle and Achilles did not want to bury Patroclus’s body and was mourning for him for days. Thats deep love.
So yes, lots of hints. But no matter, right? I think their love can be said as higher than any romantic sexual love. it can be more of a spiritual kind.
As for your question, I didnt answer because I didnt think it related to lgbtq but I’ll answer anyway. For the most part, I dont think it’s right because sex outside of marriage can lead to all kinds of confusion. Thats what marriage is for, but in today’s age, it seems like if people are divorcing at the same rate of getting married, that negates the importance of marriage. Now, proponents of same sex marriage say that marriage allows gays and lesbians the same opportunities (they can now wait to have sex within legal bounds of marriage! and on top of that, taxes and such). After all, God says that it’s not good for man to be alone and Paul said that it’s better for people to marry than burn with passion. So yes, very sad when homosexuals burn with passion and cant marry. You have to also look back when marriage was made. Did God marry Adam and Eve? Because it seems like they were sure getting it on as soon as they left that garden and they had no ceremony.
Now you can answer my rebuttal regarding Paul’s context for homosexuality.