10-14-2020, 02:04 PM
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Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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Re: Things Learned from LGBTQ+ Discussions
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Originally Posted by awareness
I'm not sure of what you are trying to convey.
Are you trying to convey that gays that accept Jesus will avoid eternal damnation? Yes
Or are you using Matthew 25 to prove that there is eternal fire damnation? Well, it's one "proof" and there are also plenty of other places for that "proof."
First, Matthew 25 doesn't say that, it says that the determination is how you treat the least of these, not that it's determined by accepting Jesus as Lord. Yet there is mention of "eternal fire." So it does exist.
And as to a eternal torture chamber, filled with most of the earth's population, every generation, I don't buy it.
What you seem to be saying is that every one that accepts Jesus as Lord, will be saved. And those that don't go to the eternal fiery torture chamber.
I don't buy that there's such a chamber. As you say, God is just. A just God wouldn't do such a thing. How then can He be just in judging the devil and his angels? If people weren't sent to the place "prepared for the devil and his angels" as judgment, the devil can point to those ones and say, "How can you throw me into the lake of fire if you let those guys off?!" And if all will be saved anyway, why did Jesus pay the ultimate price?
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I used to have thoughts about "How can a loving God send others to the eternal fire?" too . . . it's a very natural thought. But if you reason it out, there's no other way He can righteously judge all beings (human and otherwise) if all get off scot-free regardless of whether they accept the Ultimate Gift of salvation or not.
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