[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by SerenityLives

Are you saying that gay conversion therapy is operating out of the flesh, not God? Or that you’re taking responsibility away from these programs and blaming “darkness” or Satan for leading lgbtq youth to commit suicide? Consider these two people’s experiences in gay conversion therapy:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.co...ay/%3famp=true

https://www.thecut.com/2018/01/conve...xperience.html

Yeah, I don't know about these "conversion therapies" ---> seems like a bunch of manmade psychology (flesh) to me. Can God use others in something like that to affect real, lasting change? Sure, but I suspect it's usually the flesh trying to make legalistic changes in others (Ohio may disagree).

Overall, my views on such things generally follow the reasoning Cal Thomas and Ed Dobson put forth in their 1999 book, "Blinded by Might; Why the religious right can't save America." Basically it says that we might try to do a whole bunch of things to correct the moral situation, but it won't work well because no matter how well-intentioned, it's largely just the religious flesh trying to correct the unmoral flesh. America, and all it's issues, needs The Savior. Period.