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Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!
I suppose the one thing we couldn't seem to get past on the other thread, was any admittance that homosexuality was off the original mark, and is therefore a sin.
To repeat myself, over & over, again & again, one more time  . . . LGBTQ+ in my Bible is off the mark (i.e., "sin"). So are many things of the flesh and are talked about in scripture a lot. Man's heart is sick and produces all kinds of things which are off the mark. We need The Savior to bring us all back so we're able to fellowship freely with God and damaging things can be dealt with.
So the Bible calls us to agree with His word, confess and repent whenever fleshy things are manifested. I repeatedly used drunkenness as an example previously, because by itself drunkenness harms no one else (unless something else is committed while drunk). Yet it is called out as a sin in the Bible. If I'm a drinker, I may not like that scripture calls drunkenness a sin, yet there it is. So do I get scissors and cut out those verses? I could, but the truth is still the truth. If I'm an alcoholic, no one does me any favors by not calling it what it is!
So it seems to me, that to a homosexual who has also been regenerated with the life of Christ, there is at least some issue here. Just like if I'm a Christian who likes to get drunk. There's a damaging element, which our loving Father wants to save us from, but can't if we don't even admit that something's off. (it's a free will thing)
So can someone help me understand why it seems that Christian LGBTQ+ people don't seem to see that it's something even a little off the mark - just like other manifestations of the flesh?
Final thought here; I know that the sweeping tide of this age wants to say all kinds of things are perfectly okay or not even a tad bit off-the-mark, because it (apparently) hurts no one, etc. But the tide of the world is in contrast to the Word of God on pretty much everything!!! As Christians, we are called to be set apart from the world and to speak the truth in love to those in it. |
First of all your post is off the mark. Alcohol is not off the mark in the Bible. Jesus turned the water into fine wine, and lots of it. And it makes glad the heart of man. Plus it was used as medicine back then.
Now, let's talk about the clobber verses in the OT, particularly in Leviticus 18. Can they be trusted? And even more, can the OT God be trusted?
The key book in the OT to determine that is, the book of Job. The book of Job depicts God as completely untrustworthy. I think it's so clear to anyone with an objective brain that there's no point to do a exegesis on the book, and how God acted in it ... or is depicted in it.
So if the book of Job depicts God as untrustworthy, how much can we trust the book of Leviticus ; a book that doesn't apply to us? That's why we ignore most of the book, except the clobber verses. We hetero's like those verses. But the food verses are ignored by Christians. The Jews still keep them. It's called keeping kosher. But even they don't stone people like Leviticus advises. That's because the OT God can't be trusted.
The OT God is off the mark.