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Originally Posted by awareness
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Hey BJB, I hear ya. God is God, not his son, and he's a single being ; not suffering from multiple personality disorder, now termed Dissociative identity disorder (DID). And you think the church has been disordered and distorted by the doctrines (dogmas) of the trinity, and that Jesus was God. And the original foundational church was founded without those doctrines, that came along later. And you hold that we need to go back to that. After all, it was the original foundational church, and we need it back ; that's the real recovery of the church.
But looking at the OT, we can see how people were that held to the one true God the Father. And their record, or rap sheet if you will, doesn't look good. Cuz, maybe the trinity is hard wired in our head, but so is disloyalty ... so it appears, according to the one true God the Father in the OT.
You do realize that we're dealing with human beings. And if we manage to get it right, humans will stray, just like they did in the OT.
The foundational church was founded at Pentecost. And that's what we need if we ever hope to recover the foundational church. If it depends on humans, it will fail. Don't you think?
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The beginning of the “church” process started on Pentecost, and look at the message Peter spoke then- nothing about Jesus being God and nothing about a trinity god. Next big event that got the new Jewish believers so upset that Luke had to devote a couple of chapters to was Cornelius conversion- no Jesus is God message and no trinity god spoken of.
Here we are 2000 years later and the evangelical thing seems paramount, which it seems if you look up a website of any assembly falling under the “ evangelical” label, you will see a “we believe” statement that probably goes something like “ we believe the Bible is the word of God, We believe God is triune, We believe Jesus is God” . So much for the gospel, for the foundation; welcome to the extension of the 4th century creed.
This may have worked in the 14 to 18th century. By the 19th century, theological scholars were turning out doctrinal works of all sorts- the stuff W Nee and W Lee stood on. They were all based on the Jesus is God, God is triune concept. 2nd half of 20th century saw some amazing events- radio, tv, commercial flying in the heavens, space travel, most people able to read and write, fast communication with pictures and words, and then, the computer/internet where everything came together at a few clicks of the old mouse.
That article I posted a while back about evangelicals and how many really only view Jesus as a great teacher rather than as God is quite revealing. It seems to me, evangelicals have failed to present what I would call the foundational church truths, and a whole current generation are now either devoid of any religion, or go to Evangelical Sunday morning entertainment meetings, which dull the spirit of the believer.
This is, obviously, just the observation according to boxjobox and has no relevance to the great spiritual work that is really taking place. While boxjobox moans over the situation and wishes for the return to the foundational church practices and teachings of Paul, I guess I’m missing out on the great spiritual revival taking place in evangelical assemblies, which seem to pop up in my city at every high school and junior high school on Sunday mornings (slightly on hold due to Covid-19) . Pastor schools teach triunism, pastors teach congregations triunism, people don’t read triunism in their bibles, and the facade goes on.