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Old 09-12-2020, 05:39 PM   #105
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Default Re: Lee's errorous teaching concerns being in spirit and out of mind.

I found this thread while searching to see if there had been discussion about getting out of your mind on this forum. I read through the thread and wanted to post a few comments.

1. Drake provided one excerpt where Lee taught that we should use our mind. Zeek, numerous posts later, provided multiple excerpts where Lee taught the opposite. Anyone who has been in the local church for a while would know that "get out of your mind" is taught and understood much more prevalently than "use your mind". Drake was gaslighting, acting as if the known teachings in the local church aren't really known by its members or former members. When zeek provided proof that Lee really did teach this, Drake conveniently was nowhere to be found in response to the evidence.

2. The reason I came to search on this forum was because I had also read the same verses that Truthseeker (the OP) read, and was amazed to see there actually was a portion in the Word that addressed the perils of not being in your mind.

1 Cor. 14:2-5, 13-20
2 For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirit.
3 But everyone who prophesies speaks to men for their strengthening, encouragement and comfort.
4 He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church.
5 I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may be edified.
13 For this reason anyone who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret what he says.
14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
15 So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my mind.
16 If you are praising God with your spirit, how can one who finds himself among those who do not understand say "Amen" to your thanksgiving, since he does not know what you are saying?
17 You may be giving thanks well enough, but the other man is not edified.
18 I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you.
18 But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.
20 Brothers, stop thinking like children.

Paul explains that uninterpreted tongues are from the spirit, but the mind is not involved (v. 14). He says that anyone who does this only builds up HIMSELF and NOT THE CHURCH (v. 4).

He says if you are praising God with your spirit (meaning, only your spirit, and not with your mind) then the other man is not edified (v. 17). Again, the church is not built up.

Paul discounts even ten thousand words in a tongue. Ten thousand words spoken in the context of "getting out of your mind and into your spirit" (v. 18). This sounds like much of prophesying meetings in the local churches. Ten thousand words spoken "out of their mind" and not much real building, edifying, or encouraging going on anymore.

So here we've got Paul the apostle clearly describing the situation of saints who get out of their mind and into their spirit, and he couldn't tell us any more plainly that this does not build up the church.

And the local churches think with this kind of teaching that they are the only place the church is being built?!
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