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Originally Posted by Trapped
BJB,
Let me make my own position clear first: I'm not advocating for a Trinity. I'm not a trinitarian. I'm not saying the Father and the Son are co-equal. I'm not saying the Father and the Son are the same God. I'm not saying they are part of a three-yet-one scenario.
If you respond to my post, don't talk to me about the trinity or claim I have a trinitarian perspective. I don't.
I am totally with you on "the one true God" being the Father. Totally with you on Jesus saying "Your God and my God and your Father and my Father." Totally with you on Jesus constantly pointing to the only God, God the Father.
Don't quote back to me what Paul said in the myriad of verses you keep quoting. I have read them all and I agree. I want to see what you think about a couple other sets of verses.
What do you think about Hebrews 1:6-9?
6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,“Let all God’s angels worship him.”
7 In speaking of the angels he says, “He makes his angels spirits, and his servants flames of fire.”
8 But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.”
In these verses we have God the Father Himself, the only true God, calling the Son "O God". "O God" in verse 8 regarding the Son is the same word in Greek used of the Father "God" in verse 9.
Again, I'm not saying God the Father and the Son of God are the same God. They are not. They are one (united), but they have to be different beings to begin with in order for their being one to mean anything. All I'm saying is that Jesus is more than just a man, and in fact, the Father God calls him "O God" here.
Also, what do you think about Hebrews 6:20 - 7:3?
20 where our forerunner, Jesus, has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.
1 This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him,
2 and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, the name Melchizedek means “king of righteousness”; then also, “king of Salem” means “king of peace.”
3 Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.
The Son of God is shown to have no beginning and no end.
Thanks,
Trapped
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Hebrews 1.6-9 is quoted in Greek from Psalm 45 which is Hebrew. The book of Hebrews was written for Hebrews, who would have a more thorough understanding of the Psalm than I. The word there Elohim has various uses. I pulled this from a Bible Hub interlinear. I’m certain there will be certain among those who hold that thing you don’t want me to mention, as being false, but I offer it as a springboard that you and others may want to explore.
b. godlike one Exodus 4:16 (J; Moses in relation to Aaron), Exodus 7:1 (P; in relation to Pharaoh), 1 Samuel 28:13 (the shade of Samuel), Psalm 45:7 (the Messianic king, O God, ᵐ5 ᵑ6 Jerome, most scholars ancient and modern, but thy throne is God's = God's throne AE Ki Thea Ew Hup, compare 1 Chronicles 28:5). c. works of God, or things specially belonging to him (see אֵל 5) הר אלהים Psalm 68:16; Ezekiel 28:14,16; אש אלהים Job 1:16; גן (ה)אלהים Ezekiel 28:13; Ezekiel 31:8,9. d. God (see 3 & 4).
If one considers that the quote contains v7 therefore God, thy God...it is easy to see that a good understanding is needed rather than create some sort of duo or tri God out of it. Not at all saying you are doing that.
Hebrews 6/ Melchizedek is he still living over in Lebanon? Just kidding!
Heb 6.20 says Jesus entered the veil for us (after his death, resurrection, and ascension) “ having BECOME a high priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek” . This is in contrast to Aaronic priests who die and need replacement. In resurrection, Christ is always there to intercede for us- not once a year, not to die. Paul says to Timothy there is one mediator between God and man, the MAN Christ Jesus. Heb 7. “25Wherefore also he is able to save to the uttermost them that draw near unto God through him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.” This is the resurrected Jesus, who in his earthly commission died for our sins as the lamb of God, in resurrection, he is Made after the order of Melchizedek. 7. 14For it is evident that our Lord hath sprung out of Judah; as to which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priests. 15And what we say is yet more abundantly evident, if after the likeness of Melchizedek there ariseth another priest, 16who hath been made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life:
The resurrection of Jesus, who died, is something we all need to consider and appreciate. His status now is a man who will never die and is always at the right hand of God interceding for us to our God and Father. As is said in Hebrews 1 5For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee? and again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son?
That day of resurrection changed everything. To elevate Jesus to God, and to change God into a 3 people entity thoroughly damages the whole narrative of the NT. God is the God and Father of our Lord Jesus, who did this great thing- the 1st 4 chapters of Ephesians are a begging of Paul to see and appreciate this glorious working God has done.
Trapped, I’m surprised you are able to participate on the main site with your non- orthodox views Maybe Untohim is slipping!