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08-08-2020, 11:22 AM

I too was part of the local church while in college. I was very grateful for their clear teaching on the soul and the spirit and how God is filling us up with Himself to achieve His eternal purpose. I broke with them to some degree about the partial rapture. the Bible teaches their are only 3 Resurrections all in order. This is found in 1 Cor 15 the Resurrection chapter.

1 Corinthians 15:23-26 King James Version (KJV)

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

So we see the firstfruits have already happened. Since the rapture and resurrection happen at the same time.

1 Thessalonians 4:14-18 King James Version (KJV)

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Notice that in verse 15 it calls this Rapture (Caught Up-vs 17) the coming of the Lord. This is the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. The Rapture and the 1st Resurrection and the Second Coming all are synonymous terms. So then since the 2nd Resurrection happens at the Great White Throne.

Revelation 20:11-15 King James Version (KJV)

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The first resurrection is the Judgment Seat of Christ (Rom 14:10, 2 Cor 5:10)

I was taught that only the Mature Christians would be Raptured. To state a partial rapture would be to state a partial resurrection a thing that I can find no where in the scriptures. Yet a full rapture is taught in scripture as follows.

1 Corinthians 15:51-52 King James Version (KJV)

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

"we shall all be changed" All means all not partial like what is taught. If you are physically dead but in Christ you also will be raised. Now the argument is this.

Matthew 13:39
The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

The harvest is the end of the world. Mature fruit will be harvested before green or immature fruit. Heres the thing a mature believer can be carnal as well as a baby believer. At any moment in time that person can set his mind on the flesh or set his mind on the spirit. He can at any moment be receiving life (spirit) or death (flesh). We as Christians have 2 natures one from Adam (1st birth) and one from Christ (2nd birth). We choose which one we will feed. These 2 are at war within us but thanks be to the Lord Jesus who will one day change this corruptible body to be like His incorruptible body and we will be fully saturated with His Life and have a glorious body like His. Amen. So you see there is no partial rapture. We all go up. We are all a part of the body. Even in our body some cells are brand new (new believers( and some are older) but guess what they are all in the body! So they all get to go up. They will receive different rewards (Matt 16:27) at this coming of Jesus in the clouds some will suffer loss and some works will be rewarded based on if they stayed in the spirit vs in the flesh which will be burned up works. God bless and stay in the spirit but don't worry you belong to Christ He purchased you and will take you up. You will not be caught unaware as a thief in the night because you are children of the light and children of the day. So God bless you and keep looking up for the Saviour because your redemption draweth nigh.

08-08-2020, 11:22 AM	#11
Unregistered Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Partial Rapture And Dispensational Punishment I too was part of the local church while in college. I was very grateful for their clear teaching on the soul and the spirit and how God is filling us up with Himself to achieve His eternal purpose. I broke with them to some degree about the partial rapture. the Bible teaches their are only 3 Resurrections all in order. This is found in 1 Cor 15 the Resurrection chapter. 1 Corinthians 15:23-26 King James Version (KJV) 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. So we see the firstfruits have already happened. Since the rapture and resurrection happen at the same time. 1 Thessalonians 4:14-18 King James Version (KJV) 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. Notice that in verse 15 it calls this Rapture (Caught Up-vs 17) the coming of the Lord. This is the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. The Rapture and the 1st Resurrection and the Second Coming all are synonymous terms. So then since the 2nd Resurrection happens at the Great White Throne. Revelation 20:11-15 King James Version (KJV) 11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. The first resurrection is the Judgment Seat of Christ (Rom 14:10, 2 Cor 5:10) I was taught that only the Mature Christians would be Raptured. To state a partial rapture would be to state a partial resurrection a thing that I can find no where in the scriptures. Yet a full rapture is taught in scripture as follows. 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 King James Version (KJV) 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. "we shall all be changed" All means all not partial like what is taught. If you are physically dead but in Christ you also will be raised. Now the argument is this. Matthew 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. The harvest is the end of the world. Mature fruit will be harvested before green or immature fruit. Heres the thing a mature believer can be carnal as well as a baby believer. At any moment in time that person can set his mind on the flesh or set his mind on the spirit. He can at any moment be receiving life (spirit) or death (flesh). We as Christians have 2 natures one from Adam (1st birth) and one from Christ (2nd birth). We choose which one we will feed. These 2 are at war within us but thanks be to the Lord Jesus who will one day change this corruptible body to be like His incorruptible body and we will be fully saturated with His Life and have a glorious body like His. Amen. So you see there is no partial rapture. We all go up. We are all a part of the body. Even in our body some cells are brand new (new believers( and some are older) but guess what they are all in the body! So they all get to go up. They will receive different rewards (Matt 16:27) at this coming of Jesus in the clouds some will suffer loss and some works will be rewarded based on if they stayed in the spirit vs in the flesh which will be burned up works. God bless and stay in the spirit but don't worry you belong to Christ He purchased you and will take you up. You will not be caught unaware as a thief in the night because you are children of the light and children of the day. So God bless you and keep looking up for the Saviour because your redemption draweth nigh.