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Originally Posted by Boxjobox
In reviewing posts, I saw that I missed this one, which is well worth responding to. Raptor follows the Lee method of theology of mixing, matching and coming up with derivative meanings and declaring that the derivatives are Bible truths.
John 4, where Jesus tells us that God is spirit, is a very chocked full chapter of John’s. It’s particularly interesting because Jesus is talking to a Samaritan woman about God, himself the messiah, and Jesus speaking of God as the Father who desires worshipers.
Raptor seems to have the one God three persons down pretty well, and uses the old “God the Son” , and makes the transition from God is spirit to God is the Holy Spirit readily. Thus, in his reading of scripture ( which I hope he does) more than likely when reading, let’s say Ephesians, his thinking more than likely would automatically breeze over a Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus, internally translating that into a trinity persons thing, and in reading Paul’s beseeching the Ephesians to keep the oneness of the Spirit by holding to One God and Father of all, would, because that section talks about one Spirit, and one Lord, translate this into a triune thing as well, and slide easily over one God and Father, rendering the whole thought as Paul being a triunist, and therefore, anyone who would even question the trinitarian view is a reprobate fool.
But then, we still have Jesus’ word to the Samaritan woman that God-whom Jesus calls The Father, whom Paul and Jesus tells us is the one true God, desires worshippers, ie fellowship.
Most peculiar thing to take scripture and through various devices, to have what is written take on a quite different meaning and then practice the derivation rather than the truth.
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I see dear brother Untohim falling in the same quandary. Wanting to discuss the WL/LSM/LC thing only in terms of orthodox, ie church doctrine/history, where as WL on one hand would dismiss the source of triunism as degraded Christianity, yet, pull up the doctrine as legitimate, yet expanding on it with his own theological views, which were steeped in the trinitarian thought. At the same time, purporting to claim scripture as the source for all his teachings, yet making a business out of his processed triune god material. Alls the while, Paul tells us there is but one God, the Father. So how do we discuss the WL/LSM problem without bringing up the “elephant in the room”? We dismiss the whole notion of there being a legitimate elephant. How can we have an honest discussion about the whole Lee thing, the whole concept about recovery, about the ministry, and remain in the 4th century orthodoxy. I tend to think recover is no longer a topic people want to consider, and I tend to think that most of those who left the LC have probably returned to “ poor, poor, christianity” and the concept, zeal for the recovery of the church, and for that matter, whether the church as any real meaning at all, has drifted into a past history worthy only of historical discussion.