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Originally Posted by awareness

For 17 centuries it has been stated that, Jesus was one hundred percent human and one hundred percent God.

And ever since it's been, God God God, that Christians have been obsessed with concerning Jesus. The human half -- or whole, they say - get that, Jesus was wholly human -- has been cast aside. Some early Christians completely denied the human side of Jesus altogether (Thus 1 John 4:2). So despite 1 John 4:2, the human side of Jesus has been ignored not only for 17 centuries, but even beginning in the first century, when the New Testament was written.

And if you think the divinity of Jesus is unfathomable, consider the human side. We have less about that than the divinity side. For goodness sake, we don't even know what made Jesus laugh.

So the mystery of Jesus had to be settled by the creeds, centuries later --that's when homousious was cooked up, by votes. This process came to be called The Emergence of the Catholic Tradition [orthodoxy], that started with Constantine in the early 4th c, at Nicaea.

So for over 2 centuries now there's been what is called The Quest for the Historical Jesus. And you know what, the quest has gone nowhere.

In the end, we not only have conflicting verses concerning the divinity of Jesus, we don't have enough information about Jesus to solved anything about the human historical Jesus. So Bible scholars end up with nothing but guesses and suppositions.

Oddly, orthodoxy differed than orthodoxy today, cuz modalists signed the creed of Nicaea, but later came to be anathematized by Emperor Constantine.

Ultimately, the orthodoxy bro Untohim stands upon today, was developed by the Roman Catholic Church of Constantine, and following creeds ... and even the Biblical Canon of today -- developed by Eusebius (friend of Constantine), that because of Montanus and the New Prophecy, deliberately avoided the Holy Spirit when selecting the books ; thus, the canon selection was uninspired.

I think, in the end, we're just going to have to embrace the mystery. We can't even fathom a flower, how can we ever hope to fathom God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit ; it's -- they're -- unfathomable.

Man, Awareness, you left out all the great torture devices and inquisitions that enforced that doctrine, that orthodoxy! It’s too bad the Holy Spirit was so lame as to not have introduced this great three one mystery earlier on, it could have prevented a lot of needless suffering. Instead, the Spirit was wasting time and causing confusion by honoring Peter telling people about the man Jesus, whom God raised from the dead and set at His right hand, making him our Lord!

And, if God would have just raised up WLee in the 2nd century, he could have set the record straight with the processed triune god! and all this terrible confusion could have been alleviated.