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Old 06-25-2020, 10:21 PM   #38
Boxjobox
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Originally Posted by Ohio View Post
John began his Gospel with the absolutely incredible statement (1.3) "All things came into being thru Him (Jesus Christ, the word of God), and apart from Him nothing came into being which has come into being."

The Jews knew distinctly and specifically who their Creator was. Isaiah (45.11-120 reiterated what they already knew to emphasize his message to Israel: "Thus saith Jehovah, the Holy One of Israel, and His Maker: Ask me of the things to come, concerning my sons, and concerning the work of My hands, command ye me. I have made the earth, and created man upon it. I, even My own hands, have stretched out the heavens."

Yes, the Jews reacted. Yes, they thru dust in the air. And yes, they did far more than this, plotting to kill the apostles. They began their murder schemes while Jesus was alive, continued after His ascension, continued with plots to murder the apostles who preached the gospel, and continued in every city the apostles visited. Have you not read?
Ohio, yes the Jews often plotted to kill the apostles, but NOT because they preached Jesus is Jehovah. Read through the account of Stephen- what really ticked them off was his saying he saw the glory of God and Jesus standing by His right hand. I would encourage you to look through the book of Acts, and consider what was said each time the gospel was preached. If you find a Jesus is Jehovah gospel, I really would like to discuss it. But look how God is spoken of and how Christ is revealed. No recording of apostles being killed because of a Jesus is God message. And this is what I mean, how a true recovery, and a ministry of recovery would lift up the whole view of the God and Father of our Lord Jesus and place Christ as resurrected and empowered at the right hand of God. Consider also carefully the wording in Galatians, where Paul explained his gospel and warns against different gospel. Read carefully 1Cor. 15 where Paul speaks of the gospel he presents. If the correct ministry had been there in the recovery, the ministry of the scripture, we all would have had a healthy understanding and worship of the God and Father of our Lord Jesus. The whole trinity thing did not exist in the foundational church- it wasn’t preached.

James tells Paul to go to the temple and offer. He also says do you see the multitude of Jews who believe including priests. Do you really think this multitude of Jews were confessing Jesus is Jehovah? That would have been civil war!
No, the Holy Spirit just does not testify to Jesus is Jehovah. John sums up his gospel stating that it was written so that we would believe that Jesus is the Christ, the son of God, and that we may have life in his name. Jesus speaks that eternal life comes through knowing the Father, the only true God and Jesus Christ whom He sent. This is the testimony of John.
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