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Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Did Jesus say He came that we might have life?

Jesus said a lot of things, but I wouldn't boil it down to "it's about life". Jesus brought us peace, joy, righteousness, redemption, and yes, life. But take a look and see where your "sense of life" can over-rule plain right and wrong. Nowhere is where. Yet if you look at the ministry quote in the first post, it's clearly inferred.

I did a search on "Light" versus "life" in John's gospel. Chapter 1 has "life" once in v.4, then "light" in vv 4,5,7,8, and 9. Much more emphasis on light in the introductory chapter. Verse 4 says "in him was life, and the life was the light of men". Not the life of men but the light of men.

Then chapter 3. Verse 16 is the famous, "God so loved the world so much that He sent His Only Begotten Son, that whosoever believes might have eternal life". But vv 19-21 is on ones who don't believe, versus those who do: "And this is the verdict: The Light has come into the world, but men loved the darkness rather than the Light, because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come into the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever practices the truth comes into the Light, so that it may be seen clearly that what he has done has been accomplished in God.”

Then chapter 5:21-26 has a section on life, the resurrection in the end of times. "For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it... Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself."

Then verse 35, on John: "John was a lamp that burned and gave light, and you chose for a time to enjoy his light."

Then vv 39,40: "You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life.'

Then an extensive section, John 6:40, 46-57 " For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day... No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life. I am the bread of life. Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died. But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”

Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me"

Then John 9:4,5 ''As long as it is day, we must do the works of him who sent me. Night is coming, when no one can work. While I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”

Then John 10:10 "The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full."

Then John 12:35,36 Then Jesus told them, “You are going to have the light just a little while longer. Walk while you have the light, before darkness overtakes you. Whoever walks in the dark does not know where they are going. Believe in the light while you have the light, so that you may become children of light.” When he had finished speaking, Jesus left and hid himself from them.

Then vv 44:46, where believing is equated to seeing the light: Then Jesus cried out, “Whoever believes in me does not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me. The one who looks at me is seeing the one who sent me. I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness."

Then John 20:30,31 Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

Overall I'd say John stresses "light" more than "life" especially the all-important introductory chapter. Then chapter 3, after the "whoever believes has eternal life" there are 3 verses that are key to getting that life - from coming into the light. It says, "Light came into the world, but men loved darkness more than light."

Now, I stress that here, because the LSM operatives clearly hate the light. They stress the "sense of life" but they hate the light. So how is their life?

1. Witness Lee hated to hear the truth. He complained, it was like pouring cold water on him. Everyone learned: Give a good report, no matter what really was going on.
2. The DCP writers, when they are forced to acknowledge Daystar because of the Jo Casteel letter, never once mention Timothy Lee. Yet he was the one who suggested the plan, according to eye-witnesses. He's the one who ran it, profited, and took off with how much money... yet DCP never mentions his name. And the sons of Lee were involved in a number of business fiascoes. This wasn't a one-off. There was a pattern. But it's never mentioned. It's like he didn't exist.

If there's no light, how can there be life?