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Originally Posted by Nell
You implied. Regardless of your wordsmithing, you implied that I followed John Piper. I don’t. You’re free to accept this or not.
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I believe you, Nell, and I accept that you don't follow him. I never implied that you did but you did follow his opinion on Covid; that much was clear. Regardless, the man is a red herring; my primary focus was his spiritual worldview which coincidentally was shared by Watchman Nee and those that influenced him such as Jesse Penn Lewis.
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Originally Posted by Nell
2017 flu deaths were, as you said, “in the US”. The ENTIRE WORLD is experiencing Covid-19, hence the word “pandemic”. That’s how come people are saying these things about Covid-19 now. This is why no one said these things in 2017.
You say “So now we are left with judging whether it is (a) God or (b) the spirit of the world acting through the people and influencing their reactions as a whole.” So, lets say you decide on option “(b)”, and what if you’re wrong?
We don’t need to make a judgment. Who has know the mind of the Lord? God could actually use the spirit of the world for his own purposes...he’s done that before. We don’t know what God is doing. Better that we “take heed” and all the other scriptural warnings we’ve been given.
Nell
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Nell, speaking of wordsmithing you say things like "we don't know" and "we shouldn't make opinions" but it's pretty clear that you have one...
We know the mind of the Lord as far as He's expressed it in scripture and Christians have the mind of Christ as to understand it. So yes we can know certain things such as any pestilence from Jesus’ death until God’s wrath is not of God.
Regarding your flu comment, flu effects the entire globe every year on a consistent basis. 600,000 deaths on average worldwide are related to flu with no part of the globe left untouched. And keep in mind that number is WITH the availability and use of vaccines. In contrast there are 315,000 from Covid at this time. So again, why the pandemonium? Why isn't the flu a shaking from God every flu season?
As far as implications go, saying that Covid is a shaking from God is implying that He is the direct cause of it and a virus that kills people is implying God's wrath. This idea simply is not supported by scripture. If you disagree, then I'd be happy to know your opinion along with any scripture to support it.