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Originally Posted by Curious

In considering this discussion on the soul and the spirit, I am forming the following impression:

WL and WN taught the idea that there is a key to living the Christian life, hidden in the scripture that suggests there can be a separation between the human soul and spirit. They developed an idea that we can envoke that separation ourselves, by thinking and declaring that we are ‘turning to our spirit’, and that is all that is needed to do so.

In this paradigm, the human spirit is unfallen, it communicates (specifically receives) a supply of ‘life’, from God’s Spirit, and therefore does not need the LAW of God. To invoke the LAW of God is in fact religious in a very negative sense. The subjective experience has surpassed the pesky, restrictive and inconvenient law, and needs to be uncoupled from it.

This teaching instructs the follower to believe thereby, that the will and whims they experience are the manifest will of God, reaching their heart through their reliable human spirit. However, it is in fact only their own carnal will, directing him or her towards their own desires or programming. So, what we actually have is subjective experience and therefore the human will, guided without the blueprint of moral guidance, as the central guide to the life of the follower. The will of the soul, unfettered by a concern to submit to the law, masquerading as the spirit of God, is at the helm of the life of the ‘follower’ of WL et al.

Weather or not the posters on this forum agree that we have a soul and spirit as two seperatable parts or not, we mostly agree that to believe you are able to separate them yourself to get ‘out of your mind’ where you can be manipulated and controlled by WL is a bad use of the concept of soul and spirit, that replaces sound Christian teaching and ultimately does a great deal of harm, not good. A doorway to exploitation in a typically cultic sense.

‘Do what thou wilt, shall be the whole of the law’….‘there is no law beyond do as thou wilt’, Aleister Crowley, Satanist. In modern words this says: be led by your will alone, whatever you want to and desire to do, do it, there is no other rule than that'. The teaching of the LC amounts to no different from this defining 'law' of Satanism, only that in the LC there is the lie attached that your will is actually God's will coming from your spirit not your own mind. Does that make it actually worse than Aleister Crowley? At least he is straightforward and clear that he is preaching unabashed selfishness on behalf of the devil.

My conclusion is this directive in the LC adds up to a very dangerous and anti-Christian doctrine and practise. It exposes the individual to personal lawlessness and confusion, as well as exploitation and bondage. Underlining further this discussion point that the LC is a tool of satan….and I watched this confusion of lawlessness happening to LC members first hand, thinking something must be God's will for them because they wanted it. You can justify anything that way, and get into all kinds of problems.

This is one of the top ten posts I've seen, explaining to me what happened. I grew up in a broken home, largely ignored save the occasional beating. Nobody really cared about me. In the cult, it was all about me.

YOU have a human spirit. YOU can exercise your human spirit. "Oh, I'm a man, I'm the center and the meaning of the universe." Suddenly I was the star, the VIP.

All this was overwhelmingly delightful, and I spent years there after the 'glory' faded, because in the meantime I'd been so thoroughly programmed not to think or consider. "Just turn to your spirit, brother".

They seduce your will and pickle your mind, rob you of what Steve Hassan calls your authentic self. Who God really wants you to be.