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Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!
Thanks trapped and Aron for your input, but can you please also provide a rating as was outlined in the first post - since that's the basis of this thread?
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I'd say CDF / 123. Probably F1, should be treated with extreme caution. But as I said, we are too limited in view and to biased. Only God truly judges well. But I don't think we can be too cautious, and prudence should treat it as if it were the most dangerous kind of falsity. Again, we're called to be children of light, and dancing between gradations of grey doesn't work - just call it black and walk away.
But I'm biased, I'm sure. Only God is true.
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Originally Posted by Ohio
You should ask our views when we first contacted the LC, rather than 30-40 years later.
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It was heaven*.
Heaven with an asterisk. Heaven with red flags. You just had to ignore the fact that one person wrote all the books. There was a wall of "rainbow booklets", little pastel-colored pamphlets, all with one name on them. And the whispers about "storms" and "rebellions". And so on. Just ignore all that and it was great.
Eventually, of course, the red flags grew until they covered the horizon. Everyone talked of love but none was shown. Not real love. If you were good material, so-called, you got love-bombed. But if you had trouble, see ya. "We're not here for that". We're not here for the sick, the poor, the crippled and the lame, the prisoners or the hungry. We're not here for those who can't repay us in this age. No sirree, we're here to get paid in this age. None of that "reward in the resurrection of the righteous" in Luke 14:13,14 here. Nope - cash on the barrelhead in the LC. We've got a church to build, and a ministry to support.
We got manipulated into a Chinese personality cult. I think of the song, "I'm walking down the road that leads to glory"
I’m walking down the road
That leads to glory.
I’m pressing toward the mark
By enjoying God!
I don’t know so much,
Just to love Him.
I’m walking down the road,
Glory, here I come.
"I don't know so much" means that Lee has cut you off from historical Christianity so that he can re-invent it. Enforced ignorance is his tool. "Don't think, just enjoy" was the mantra. Shut off your mind and let Witness Lee re-wire it.
With the brothers and the sisters,
We enjoy Him day by day.
It’s so simple and easy,
Our worries flee away.
Now we’re growing together,
As one big family,
Abiding in the joy of the Lord.
"It's so simple and easy". This means to "be simple", and drop all the safeguards of millenia of historical Christianity. It's the Year One, in the Restored True Church (or Year 62, if Nee's 'Spiritual Man' signaled the New Age). So all the rules are gone. No need to do this and that, all those "dead works". No, "Just Enjoy".
We enjoy You, Lord Jesus,
In our experience.
We’re getting to know You—
It’s making us leap and dance.
Just eating and drinking,
It’s what we do the best,
Delighting in the love of the Lord.
"Eating and Drinking" - Jesus said that his food was to do the will of the Father. But in the LC it was pray-reading. No "dead works" of obedience for us. Just masticate the Processed Triune God and become God in Life and Nature. How enjoyable! (until the joy runs out) Our experience is not a sure peg in the wall. Jesus' experiences are. That alone is the rest, and focus, of our faith.
We’re walking, not running,
Cause we’re in the pasture land.
Our Shepherd is nearby,
We’re trusting in His hand.
He’s everything to us,
He’s all we ever need,
Resting in the peace of the Lord.
This one almost is good. But still the focus is on who? On the believer's ephemeral sensations. Not on Jesus Christ. Remember what Paul said? "It is no longer 'I' but Jesus Christ". The LC gets you to focus on your "experience", which means you're ripe for manipulation. The Scripture says, "In the midst of the Ekklesia I (Christ) will sing hymns of praise to You (Father)". The scriptural focus in the assembly is the life of Christ flowing through us, glorifying the Father. It is not on our selfish 'enjoyment'. Sorry, but that's the truth, if there's any such thing as truth in this world.
I was determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
If it's so simple and easy, why did they tell us to recruit "typical Americans" off the USA campuses? Because they wanted to hide the fact that it was a Chinese personality cult. Why lead us to Taiwan to practice door knocking? Because our "enjoyment" wasn't filling LSM coffers quick enough. And so forth. Simple and easy goes right out the window.
Here is a video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdBpDPHH7N0
The college students here, enjoying their experiences, are caught by their sensations. They get pressured to conform, pump fists in unison, then they get the euphoria of the Hive Mind when they buckle to pressure. Suddenly, how marvelous! How glorious! But 10 years from now they'll be "community saints" and forgotten as the LC bus rolls on, as the machine sucks up a new set of naifs. But today in the meeting, they don't care how many litter the trail behind, or what lies before. No, just be simple and enjoy the moment. They're the stars of the show, these college students. They're the center of the LC universe. But they don't realize that they're VIPs like a turkey is the centerpiece at Thanksgiving Dinner. They'll be consumed and tossed aside. They'll be "enjoyed" by the ministry. That road we walked down didn't lead to glory, but to Lee's lair. And I daresay the same spirit's running the show today.
Here is another song: "My soul is escaped as a bird/out of the snare of the fowler/the snare is broken and we are escaped"
A snare is a hidden wire, placed among the corn. The birds see the "enjoyment", the "food" and land to eat the corn. But the fowler pulls the wire and their feet are entangled and they're caught.
But the snare's now broken and we're escaped. ~Psa 124:7