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Originally Posted by manna-man
Brother BJB
I'm not clear what you claim to understand.
How does your question or concern relate to the topic Eternal Torment?
Please explain I don't understand your angle.
Thanks
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I say, old boy, read through Babu’s presentation- lots of twists and turns, interpretations- additions and subtractions to support his thinking. Right in the middle, he presents an extremely large “if-then” argument - If Jesus is God, then blah blah blah. He does this twice. Then He refers to Jesus as God the Son. Am I really supposed to take this as a serious treatise? We are not considering something like who is the real 12th apostle, or something of minor consideration. I would expect a more noble, scriptural presentation. To the trinitarians, the Jesus is God thing is already a done deal, why put forth an if-then argument? The scripture never refers to Jesus as God the Son, so why would he make such a misleading statement?
Babu shoots himself in the foot trying to present his case.
I included 2 verses from the apostle Paul. in 1Tim 2, Paul points out that it is God’s desire for all men to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth- that’s God’s desire, and I think God gets what he wants. The way is through the one man Jesus the Christ, who gave himself a ransom for all.
Next was 1Tim 4.10 For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe. 11These things command and teach.
God is the savior of all men, especially of those who believe.
I think from these 2 verses given to us by the apostle Paul, I get a pretty good idea of God’s desire and plan. From Babu- well, he argues his points like WL- adding, subtracting, cutting, pasting, and including false and misleading non- scriptural ideas.
Grace to you Manna-Man from God our Father and from our Lord Jesus, the anointed one.