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Originally Posted by OBW
That is a significant issue. But it is not the entirety of morality.
And even yet another conservative judge on SCOTUS is not going to end abortion. It is engrained in the minds of people as a legitimate option. They do not agree that life begins at conception. If they did, they could not simply declare it to be a "choice." Or a "right." The most that SCOTUS could do is remove some of the federal-level control on the issue. So it reverts to the states where people have generally ceased thinking of abortion as a basis for voting for or against particular persons. As long as there is major support, we are just moving the issue downhill. And the result will be, at best, that there is more restriction on late-term abortions. And that might happen anyway. But it will not go away — even in the most conservative states.
The need is not for heightened criminalization, but changes in the thinking of the people who somehow think they have no other choice (thus elimination the perception of choice in the matter). They need support and help from loving people, not angry shouts from the Pharisees who think this is a theocracy and are trying to avert God's banishing us to a new Babylon.
And what did we get for our compromise? For our trading of one moral issue for all others? Mostly meaningless support for an issue that will probably not be impacted at the levels imagined anyway. No matter what the justices personally think, they tend to reject taking on cases that involve decided issues. So even the hotly-contested Cavenaugh will likely have no impact on the issue.
And on the flip side, we accepted a man worse than the one we tried to impeach 20+ years ago for just being a philanderer and trying to hide it. We declare him to be our Cyrus. Really? More like Jezebel. And we invite him into our churches. We are doing exactly what the church did when Constantine came along. Accepting state involvement so we can dictate how things will be.
And vilifying certain non-Christians just because some of their numbers might be terrorists doesn't fit with loving your neighbor as yourself. From where I sit, it suggests either some extreme self-loathing . . . or rejection of that particular command as just being over. As Lee would say, because the law has ended.
I likely won't return on this topic, so save your breath (and electrons). Mark Galli was absolutely right. There are a lot of evangelicals that need to rethink what it means to be spiritual.
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OBW, your arguments are so flawed in the minds of his supporters, evangelical or otherwise, but I'm starting to think that you, like Galli, are more upset with Christians who dare to support Trump, than Trump himself. A sure sign of the deleterious effects of Trump Derangement Syndrome. And Galli is now "spiritual" because he rejects President Trump?
How interesting that you dismiss all of Trump's judicial appointments, some saying his greatest accomplishment to date, because they are "not going to end abortion." Conservatives have witnessed the eroding of civil and religious liberties for centuries, and Trump is attempting to reverse that, by ending judicial activism. Obviously, by siding with the atheistic and amoral Left, you don't think any of Trump's appointments are beneficial. Glad to hear that you are not a Pharisee in this matter! Regarding the slaughter of the unborn, at least you are "compassionate" towards the abortion industry.
Only you could think that Trump is worse than the one impeached 20 years ago. Trump threw Jeffrey Epstein out of MaraLago, Clinton however joined him, enabled him, played with him, and protected him. Epstein had a huge painting of Clinton in a blue dress. The two of them mocked the impeachment affair. Dozens of underage pretties have identified Clinton at his island parties. Is there some moral equivalency here? Forget about the actual crimes Clinton was impeached for, (perjury, witness tampering, obstruction of justice, etc.) he raped numerous women, seduced interns, and corrupted minors. Some of it in the White House! Real Christians see some differences here.
Interesting that you refer to Brett Kavanaugh as "hotly contested." Obviously you believed some of his accusers. That alone discredits your ability to discern false witnesses and unrighteousness.
Seems like you got issues with those who refer to Trump as Cyrus. Are you serious? Was Cyrus a holy and godly man? His notable feature was the support of Israel, permitting the rebuilding of Jerusalem and the temple. Has not God promised to bless those who bless Israel? Trump moved the embassy. More than any president in history, Trump has blessed Israel. Ask them, they will tell you. But you tend to fault-find and curse those whom God blesses. I'm not excusing anyone's sins, but neither am I going to side against God.
Your comments about "vilifying certain non-Christians" are straight from the democratic talking points. Before Trump was elected, Obama said the same things about illegal aliens. Hey did you see that Trump locked kids in cages? Oops, that pic was during the Obama administration. Don't let facts get in the way of your Trump hate! But when Obama did the same, no one accused him of "not loving his neighbor as himself."
Anyways, this is America, and you are free to believe whatever the media tells you about Evangelical Christians, but don't expect me to not push back occasionally on the disinformation and deception.