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Originally Posted by Freedom

The LC is full of extremities and they fail to really recognize it or acknowledge the end effect. They waste no time distancing themselves from the Shouters and EL, yet why aren't they willing to do the same in regards to the statements made by FTTT trainers?

Maybe it's just me, but those EL statements have a familiar ring to them. Their methodologies sound all too familiar.

Below is a summary of LC campus recruiting, compared with EL tactics. Especially the first point stands out. "We are just Christians" - both groups have further motives, but initially hide it to make the personal connection. Once the connection's made the maneuvering begins, with the cutting of old connections, and then the control becomes more overt.

Jo Casteel's testimony affirms this methodology is now practiced. The new mark is deliberately shielded from ministry materials. They use a KJV, sing "good old Protestant hymns", and slowly build bridges. Then they cut off the person's ties to the outside with the incessant negativity and judgment. Simultaneously the ministry indoctrination begins, the 'drip-feed' as Curious called it.

Originally Posted by Peter Eagan

.Don't let them know our group, at first. We are just Christians... Christians on campus.

.Make friends with them. Pay attention to them. Listen. Connect.

.Get them to come to our conferences and trainings. Isolate them in an intense setting where they are vulnerable and open.

.Get them to see that Shouters alone have the way and the teaching. Everything else is wrong. Family and friends are the worst! Distractions from hell!

.Get them to be recruiters right away. Use them to reach other recruits. That will solidify their position in the group.

.Always pressure them for more. More time, more commitment. Constant pressure.

All this stuff looked very similar to me, to the EL recruiting handbook that I saw..

We don't know ALL the connections with the LC/LSM and the various decidedly non-Christian groups that followed their proselytizing the mainland. China's unfortunately a closed society, and those who talk are punished. But we shouldn't just blithely wave it away as DCP does, and say there are NO connections whatever!

And they refuse to acknowledge that because it is Chinese, this movement resists open, critical examination. The Maximum Leader can't be allowed to publicly lose face! Today in China, if one publicly criticizes Mao, they can lose their job. Initially, in Elden Hall, the Jesus Freaks didn't realise what they'd gotten into. But one sees StG's testimony on the Berkeley 'purge', or reads of The New Way, the Young Galileans, Daystar and Timothy Lee, then 'Philip Lee is the Office', at some point it becomes clear.

All these trends go back into pre-USA history, to Taiwan and the Philippines in the 1950s, and the Mainland before that. Then, what recent information does come out of PRC, about Three Grades of Servants, Eastern Lightning, the Lord Changshou Shouters etc makes more sense. Yes there's a connection; the only question is in the variety of details. Like with Titus Chu and Dong Yu Lan, who went 'rogue' but still use many of the same methods because they're so effective. But the connection is there.

Another noteworthy phenomenon is that, among the eight homegrown cults, aside from the Shouters, there are two additional cults that derive from the Shouters: the Lord God Sect and the Anointed King. In addition the All Sphere Church (aka the Criers or Born Again Criers), the Disciple Society, and Three Grades of Servants all certainly have a connection with the Shouters.

If this is true, six of the eight homegrown cults belong to or are associated with the Shouters, which accounts for more than half of those cults. Moreover, there are several cults that were not included among the 14 cults but are viewed as heretical sects. The Changshou Sect, the Mainland China Administrative Deacon Station, and the Eastern Lightning were all originally born out of the Shouters.

The DCP says there's no connection between LSM and the Shouters, but I personally heard WL claim Shouters for LSM and number them in the millions. So we are to assume that all those Shouters vanished, and another Shouters group also numbering in the millions appeared ten years later (2005), which then gave rise to the many cults? But there is no connection to the Shouters of the 1990s? Do you really expect people to receive this without verification?

https://www.chinasource.org/resource...anity-in-china