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Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Okay, I listened to the two shorter videos. One thing these are confirming for me is that there is a difference between the virgins and the bride. The bride is always referred to as singular, but for sometime I've been bothered that the virgins are plural.

First of all, Thank you STG for taking the time to read my thoughts on this topic and for watching the videos

So Matthew 25: says
“Then the kingdom of heaven will be comparable to ten virgins, who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom.

Matthew 20:16 says
So the last shall be first, and the first last.”

Jesus came to the Jews first. The 4 gospels are directed to the Jews. But in John 10:16 Jesus tells them I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.

I never understood who the other sheep were until I began to understand Jesus was talking to the Jews. The Jews were His sheep. The gentiles that would get saved later are the other sheep.

And now Matthew 20:16 made sense to me! The FIRST referred to in this verse are the JEWS. But because they rejected as a whole Jesus as their Messiah, they will miss the rapture and get saved during the tribulation.

Next.. I will start another thread to explain the difference between the Kingdom of Heaven which pertains to the Jews and the Kingdom of God which pertains to all true Blood washed believers.

This will blow away Lee's teaching ( and many other denominational/charismatic teaching) on the thousand year reign.

I always accepted WL's teaching that all the virgins were saved because #1 - they were all virgins waiting for the Bridegroom, and #2 - they all had lamps. (of course WL got the basic teaching from Govett, et.al.) These, to me, are definitely not unbelievers. But, in a Jewish marriage feast the 10 virgins would absolutely NOT be the bride!

Yeah.. well. That has been a lot of our problems.. "Lee taught it and therefore as the -MOTA- or -deputy authority- therefore it had to be true!"

However, I don't know if the virgins are ones coming out of the 3.5 year tribulation as both of the short videos indicate. It is interesting that both these speakers advocate multiple raptures, as Nee and Lee did (again, they got this from others). Multiple raptures is something I've always believed . .

It's just food for thought.. I think he backs it up with scriptures.

With regards to the multiple raptures, I did not know Nee and Lee taught or advocated multiple raptures. I know that when I began to understand the difference between the rapture and the 2nd coming of Christ, I discovered multiple raptures. Let me see if I can list them here by memory:

1) Enoch. Enoch walked with God and was not because God took him.

2) Elijah -- And it came to pass, when the Lord would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind..... As they were going along and talking, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire and horses of fire which separated the two of them. And Elijah went up by a [e]whirlwind to heaven. 12 Elisha saw it (2 Kings 2:1-12)

3) This one should really be #2 but I am going by memory remember? It is also a TYPE of rapture. It is Noah, his family and the animals in the ark. They go up, avoiding the judgement on the earth. Yes they return, but so will we.

4) Jesus at His Resurrection when He tells Mary Magdalene that He has to go up to His Father and not to touch Him. He then returns and appears to His disciples.

4) His Ascension

5) The dead in Christ rising up first, then we who are alive and remain will be caught up with them in the clouds to meet Jesus in the air aka the rapture ( 1 Thessalonians 4:16:17)

6) The 144K in Revelation 14. I believe they are the same ones mentioned in Revelation 7. But I could be wrong.

7) The 2 witnesses (Revelation 11:11-12)

8) and while this scripture does not specifically say people will be raptured, I think they will. I won't give my reasons why here but It is Revelation 14:6
And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, having an eternal gospel to preach to those who live on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people;

So, thanks again, Carol, for sharing this!

Your welcome!

QUESTION: Does bro Gene cover the Faithful and unfaithful servants in Matt 25? (I'm still trying to digest his long video and haven't finished it)

Hmm.. I think he does. I'll have to look. I understand what you mean about digesting. I have been studying his teachings as well as Robert Breaker, Charles Lawson and a couple of other teachers on you tube for a few years. I go over their videos because while I pretty much get it, I continue to learn something new and they teach me how to express myself as well. There is another brother whose books have taught me a lot and his name is Clarence Larkin. He passed away in 1925 and was imho way ahead of his time.

Blessings be showered on you STG

Oh.. and btw, there are times I don't agree with everything they say. And I am not a KJ only while they are.