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So much misinformation here, I thought it best to respond line by line . . . .

Originally Posted by awareness

First, there's a lot of Roman Catholic in your conception (no pun intended). Jesus wasn't declared both 100% man and God until the synods, by imperial decree, starting with the First Council of Nicaea, (325AD). Such a conception is not found in the Bible.

Our faith and views of scripture have little to do with Councils, which are often in error, kind of similar to this post of yours.

Luke 1.26-56 makes it very clear that the angel Gabriel, sent by God, informed Mary that the child conceived in her womb, who shall be named Jesus, was both God and man, "He will be great, called the Son of the Most High, and the Lord God will give to Him the throne of David His Father."

Second, a seed isn't produced at conception. It takes two seeds to do that. In that case, by your reckoning, life begins at erection and ovulation.

This is merely wordplay. What we are referring to at conception is an embryo, which technically develops from a zygote.

And finally, if what you say is true, why didn't the wise men come when Mary conceived?

The Wise Men from the east actually began their journey when they saw His star at conception. (Matt 2.1-12) Unfortunately these not so Wise Men got distracted and went to Jerusalem, where Herod got involved. Since they arrived late, they were not at the manger worshiping with the Shepherds, but found Jesus a few days later in a "house," where they worshiped Him with gifts. Obviously God never wanted these inspired guests to worship His Son in the womb of Mary, as that might appear to be God-sanctioned "Mary-worship," which, of course, the real church would never do.

If Jesus was God, and that doesn't have strong exegetical Biblical grounding, he would have been God at that point, and the star would have guided them then, to the seed of God.

The Bible plainly states that Jesus was regularly worshiped as God, both at birth, during His ministry, and after His resurrection. So sad to see that your extensive online reading list has caused you to give up on this priceless truth.

In short, even the the books of Matthew and Luke recognized that Jesus was a living soul at birth. Gen. 2:7 clearly states it takes the breath to become a "living soul."

The Bible states we are souls, and we have a soul. Jesus as Son of Man was the same. Your demand that a person needs to breathe, based on this verse, is laughable. All scripture is also "God-breathed." Does that mean my Bible must also be "breathing?"

And by our constitution, and laws, that's when a person have legal rights, and it's murder to kill them. But still, the parents have sovereignty over that little body until it's grown, as the pregnant mother does while carrying it.

Sovereignty over one's children does not provide the right to take the child's life.

Moreover, even if the Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade it won't hold. Women have sovereign rights over their body. Not only can they use a coat hanger, there's also chemical means for abortion they can use, and they will use them because we can't stop them. Abortion was happening thousands of years before Roe.

Yes, women have "rights" over their own body. And for that matter, no woman has ever been prosecuted for taking her own life.

But the unborn baby within a woman is not her own body. It's not even a part of her body. It does not have her DNA. She has no "right" over the life of this baby. Whether babies were aborted before Roe has nothing to do with it. Should we legalize other forms of murder since Cain killed his own brother back at the dawn of man? What kind of logic is that?

Why don't we make laws against men that produce unwanted pregnancies? Oh, I forget. Men make the laws, and they aren't going to make laws against themselves ... only against women.

In a Constitutional Republic, our representatives make our laws. Male representatives have made laws against men since the beginning. Ever been stopped for speeding? An elected "man" probably has written that law.

I blame this whole uproar on the Christian Dominionists. Who want to take us back to the Old Testament days. When women were property.

There you go again! Always blaming Christians for all of this world's ills.