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Old 01-18-2019, 07:53 AM   #5172
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Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah View Post
No, not Trump hate which is preventing me. What is stopping me is this assertion that everyone is ganging up on this poor billionaire who also happens to be the President of the US and "the most powerful man on the planet". Ask yourself, why would Jeff Sessions, a friend of Trump recuse himself if there was absolutely no basis to do so?

I am more than willing to consider a "deep state coup" but the idea that they would drag it out for years, with the most powerful man, a man who is certainly rich enough to pay for a lawyer, a man who can easily get his side of the story out, sorry but that concept strains all credulity.

You remind me of the complaints during the whitewater investigation. They complained that they were being bankrupted, that no evidence of criminal behavior on their part was found, yada yada yada. The truth is there was plenty of smoke around Clinton to warrant an investigation into a fire, and what we found was a lot of seedy corruption. I don't accept the argument that "everyone is guilty of tax fraud", or "every politician is corrupt". I am happy we did the Whitewater investigation, on the one hand Clinton could claim no crime, on the other we realized Hillary was a crook. Likewise I am just as happy we are doing this investigation. Trump promised to show us his tax returns and I think that is a promise the entire US population would like to see him keep.

I do agree that there is a lot of Trump hate out there blinding them. Awareness is railing about how bad Trump is and how could anyone vote for him, "oh the hypocrisy!" Really, can any born again Christian justify voting for Hillary Clinton? Of course not. So in her case they argue you shouldn't use the Bible as a standard, but for Trump they should have? Who is the real hypocrite?

Democratic lawmakers vowed to investigate allegations published in a report late Thursday that claimed President Donald Trump personally ordered his former attorney and fixer Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about a potential real-estate development in Moscow.

The report, published by BuzzFeed News, claimed Trump directed Cohen to mislead Congress about when negotiations to launch a condo project in Russia's capital ended, as well as the extent of Trump's involvement in the deal. It later fell apart.

USA TODAY has not independently confirmed the report as of Friday morning.


If this is Michael Cohen as the source then it is a prime example of how these fat cats get away with the various crimes and why they hire slime bags like Cohen. No doubt they'll attack Cohen's credibility and it is difficult to convict based on Cohen's testimony. You always wonder why a billionaire wouldn't have an elite lawyer rather than this guy, they don't want someone who is elite or credible. Someone elite would not stoop into the gutter which is where Cohen operated, and you don't give someone credible your dirty little secrets in the event it is a "he said, you said".
OK, let me summarize your case against Trump, and why he must be guilty of something:
  • He's a "fat cat," and everyone knows they get away with crimes
  • He hired lawyers like Cohen, a slime bag, operating in the gutter
  • He's a billionaire
  • He should have hired an elite or credible lawyer (awareness said 99.4% of lawyers give the rest of them a bad name.)
  • BuzzFeed published another bad article about Trump -- the same outfit that printed the "Steele Dossier," confirmed by Comey as "salacious and unverified"
  • Trump never showed his tax returns
  • Clintons were bad, so it is justifiable to investigate Trump
  • Sessions was duped into recusing himself (Do you have any idea how much evidence exists that shows that Rosenstein, Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Page, Baker, Muller, Weissman, Ohr, and others should have all recused themselves, yet did not to protect their own crimes?)
  • Trump is a powerful man
  • Trump is rich enough to hire lawyers
This is evidence to appoint a special prosecutor? Serious? I don't even see smoke.

And let's not forget that Manafort cheated on his taxes, Flynn lied to Pence, and Russians manipulate Facebook adds.
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