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Originally Posted by Ohio
Sorry to quote you and then rant about Democrats. My bad.
But regarding your comment, "steady movement from the fringe to the center," I would disagree, using Mike Flynn's case. He was the first. He resigned under media scrutiny from deep state leaks for "lying to Pence." He was at the center. If there was a "Russian collusion," it must be thru him. He talked to the Russians and went there.
Yet for 2 years he has been strung along. Initially he was set up by Rosenstein and Strzok. Never read his Miranda rights. They informed him that he needed no counsel present. They wanted him "at ease." Even Strzok's report included Flynn was honest and straight forward. But Flynn had been illegally wire-tapped, and his rights violated, yet no one was made accountable. The DOJ/FBI top echelon broke all the laws, then get fired, and Flynn is still under suspicion.
This top "colluder" Flynn, though guilty of nothing, suffered extended prosecutorial abuse and misconduct. Though charged with no actual crimes, they forced him to into bankruptcy, so that he eventually pleads to lying, a so-called "process" crime, supposedly giving Mueller a "victory." For over a year they have delayed his sentencing, strung him along, for what? The first victim of a deep-state coup.
What about Manafort? Where's the collusion? He got convicted of tax fraud ten years before working with Drumpf. I bet every single politician in Wash DC could be convicted of tax fraud. Mueller spent $20 million to convict Manafort of not paying $1.4 million in taxes ten years ago. Seriously? How does that implicate Drumpf? Why don't Mueller go checkout the Podesta Brothers taxes. And the Clintons. That's just a start.
But apparently Drumpf hate prevents you from seeing the corruption here.
Is this not the greatest threat to our democratic process? I get it you hate the guy, but was he not elected by the American people? The Democrats called for impeachment before he even took office.
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No, not Trump hate which is preventing me. What is stopping me is this assertion that everyone is ganging up on this poor billionaire who also happens to be the President of the US and "the most powerful man on the planet". Ask yourself, why would Jeff Sessions, a friend of Trump recuse himself if there was absolutely no basis to do so?
I am more than willing to consider a "deep state coup" but the idea that they would drag it out for years, with the most powerful man, a man who is certainly rich enough to pay for a lawyer, a man who can easily get his side of the story out, sorry but that concept strains all credulity.
You remind me of the complaints during the whitewater investigation. They complained that they were being bankrupted, that no evidence of criminal behavior on their part was found, yada yada yada. The truth is there was plenty of smoke around Clinton to warrant an investigation into a fire, and what we found was a lot of seedy corruption. I don't accept the argument that "everyone is guilty of tax fraud", or "every politician is corrupt". I am happy we did the Whitewater investigation, on the one hand Clinton could claim no crime, on the other we realized Hillary was a crook. Likewise I am just as happy we are doing this investigation. Trump promised to show us his tax returns and I think that is a promise the entire US population would like to see him keep.
I do agree that there is a lot of Trump hate out there blinding them. Awareness is railing about how bad Trump is and how could anyone vote for him, "oh the hypocrisy!" Really, can any born again Christian justify voting for Hillary Clinton? Of course not. So in her case they argue you shouldn't use the Bible as a standard, but for Trump they should have? Who is the real hypocrite?
Democratic lawmakers vowed to investigate allegations published in a report late Thursday that claimed President Donald Trump personally ordered his former attorney and fixer Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about a potential real-estate development in Moscow.
The report, published by BuzzFeed News, claimed Trump directed Cohen to mislead Congress about when negotiations to launch a condo project in Russia's capital ended, as well as the extent of Trump's involvement in the deal. It later fell apart.
USA TODAY has not independently confirmed the report as of Friday morning.
If this is Michael Cohen as the source then it is a prime example of how these fat cats get away with the various crimes and why they hire slime bags like Cohen. No doubt they'll attack Cohen's credibility and it is difficult to convict based on Cohen's testimony. You always wonder why a billionaire wouldn't have an elite lawyer rather than this guy, they don't want someone who is elite or credible. Someone elite would not stoop into the gutter which is where Cohen operated, and you don't give someone credible your dirty little secrets in the event it is a "he said, you said".