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Originally Posted by Drake
Hi Trapped. I commend you for restricting yourself to the One Publication. 
This whole topic is centered on I Corinthians 14:8.... an example there of a battle conducted on a military field. No uncertain sounding of the trumpet. What Brother Lee explained in the last section of the base note is that the ministry is for calling an army to battle. Not everyone is, will be, or wants to respond to that trumpet. Not every American will serve in the military. The army is for the churches but the churches are not required to respond the battle trumpet. They are still genuine churches regardless of their response. So he says we are not talking about something in the Lords recovery (which includes ALL the churches), rather we are talking about the ministry aspect of the Lords recovery. Since the ministry is clearly one part of the Lords recovery and by saying we are talking about something in the ministry and not in the Lords recovery, he is saying the sounding is not for every part of the Lords recovery (ALL the churches).
I’m not done but I’ll pause as I would if we were speaking face to face. Does the paragraph above make sense? Good so far?
Thx
Drake |
Drake,
I am so glad you brought up 1 Corinthians 14:8 because this has helped me so much to see even more how Biblical phrases are taken, twisted, and misapplied.
Those verses in 1 Corinthians 14 are about the measure of the profitability of speaking being contingent upon the clarity of that speaking. The example of a trumpet in battle, just like the preceding example of a flute or harp in a non-military setting, is simply to show that if what is expressed is not clear, people don't know what to do with it or how to respond.
The trumpet is the speaking (in tongues (?) or with a word "easy to understand" that accompanies the tongues) in a meeting. The emphasis in those verses also has absolutely nothing to do with a restriction on the
number of musical instruments (i.e. the "one trumpet"), but rather, an exhortation concerning the
clarity or the "certainness" of the sound produced. It is about the quality of the sound, not the number of the instruments.
Since the trumpet is the speaking, it is worthy to note that Paul says he desires that we ALL speak in tongues and prophesy (1 Cor. 14:5). This chapter would then seem to indicate that
there can be many trumpets, as long as they are certain in sound and express themselves becomingly and in an orderly way (1 Cor. 14:40). He does NOT say that there should only be one speaking ("one trumpet"), just that there be an order to the speaking.
I disagree with your statement that the army is for the churches. The army IS the church.
I can be sufficiently on board with the rest where you differentiate between the Lord's recovery being all the churches versus the ministry being one part of it.
Trapped