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Originally Posted by zeek
Here are a few facts for you to yawn over:
- Trump said Mexico would pay for the wall indirectly through a new trade deal. This is misleading; no money for the deal ends up contributing to construction.
- Trump reeled off a series of numbers about the numbers of border crossers arrested for assault, sex crimes and murder. But his numbers were inflated.
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- I have issues with the numbers used by both sides on this argument, but will concede that Trump's statements invite misrepresentation.
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Originally Posted by zeek
- He talked about drugs flowing across the border, but ignored the fact that they come through ports of entry that would remain open after a wall is build.
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I agree that a very poor job has been done of explaining the benefit of a barrier.
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Originally Posted by zeek
- He said Democrats used to support his wall, but stopped once he took office. This is wrong; Democrats never supported the type of concrete barrier Trump has talked about. They did support fencing, but Trump mocked their position as inadequate and ridiculous.
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Once again this looks a lot like the "last straw" rather than a valid argument. If they both agree on a fence then it seems absurd to shut down the govt over this.
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Originally Posted by zeek
Trump's arguments for his wall have been shot down. He couldn't get it built when there was a Republican majority in Congress, so there's no reason to give it to him now. f the Dems cave on this, every time he wants something he'll shut down the government again.
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Sounds like the arguments my colleagues hear all the time from their kindergartners.