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Old 01-10-2019, 09:18 AM   #5120
zeek
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Default Re: Politics and the Church

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Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah View Post
This is your opinion. This is the problem with the discourse these days people passing off their opinion as facts. Whether or not the wall will be worth the $5 billion is an opinion, not a fact. Gangs accounting for 80% of the violent crimes in this country is a fact, not an opinion. Gang violence being the biggest issue concerning crime and people feeling safe in this country is a fact, not an opinion.

Describing the border as a "national security crisis" is an opinion, not a fact and not a lie.



Are you serious, do you even have an idea what a crime is? Saying that a person has murdered fewer people than Hitler doesn't mean that murder is not a crime. 13% of gang members arrested for violent crimes are illegal immigrants. Those are crimes that never would have been committed if they were stopped at the border.



Yawn



So impeach him. If Mueller's report indicates he was involved in felonies I am all for impeachment. But focus on the true story and don't get worked up about this idiotic stuff.
Here are a few facts for you to yawn over:
  • Trump said Mexico would pay for the wall indirectly through a new trade deal. This is misleading; no money for the deal ends up contributing to construction.
  • Trump reeled off a series of numbers about the numbers of border crossers arrested for assault, sex crimes and murder. But his numbers were inflated.
  • He talked about drugs flowing across the border, but ignored the fact that they come through ports of entry that would remain open after a wall is build.
  • He said Democrats used to support his wall, but stopped once he took office. This is wrong; Democrats never supported the type of concrete barrier Trump has talked about. They did support fencing, but Trump mocked their position as inadequate and ridiculous.

Trump's arguments for his wall have been shot down. He couldn't get it built when there was a Republican majority in Congress, so there's no reason to give it to him now. f the Dems cave on this, every time he wants something he'll shut down the government again.
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