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Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

This is why it is a waste of time trying to talk to either you or Awareness, and why Ohio and everyone else has ditched this site.

The verse is very clear -- a woman should scream if she is being raped. That answers your question of "where the Bible tells her to scream". Ignoring that is willful disregard for what is obvious.

What you are ignoring is the very real possibility that when the woman is caught in the fornication she claims the man forced her. Why do you ignore this, it is proven and is undeniably one possibility.

Also, the context and the verse clearly would be understood that had she screamed someone would have heard her. If that would not have been the case then any reasonable person could judge it that way.

This whole attack on man being the ultimate culprit, the ultimate evil and even if the woman sins well it isn't her fault because man has created a system in which she has to sin is simply the typical response of all sinners who don't want to take responsibility for their own actions.

Finally, your ridiculous conclusion that "Apparently the New Testament doesn't advise a woman what to do if she's being abused by the male church leaders. Apparently the New Testament writers thought that their leadership would be above that sort of thing." Is just abhorrent. Paul said not to take an accusation against an elder except by the hand of two witnesses. How could anyone conclude that Paul thought the leadership "would be above that sort of thing"? Idiotic. Galatians, James, the epistles of Peter and Jude all discuss evil leaders, again what an idiotic and unfounded accusation from you. The only conclusion I can make is that you will say anything at all to slander the Apostles and the NT. Corinthians (both of them) deal with this very thing and the man is excommunicated and disciplined for his sexual abuses. Again, completely unfounded and willfully biased slander. Several books of Paul rebuke the works of the flesh which include many sexual sins. Jesus raised the stakes for this sin saying that committing it in your heart was on par with doing it in the flesh. Jesus rebuked the hypocritical leaders of the time for many sins, describing them as whitewashed sepulchres filled with dead man's bones. Your assertion that the writers of the NT couldn't forsee evil leaders is so absurdly ridiculous as to conclude you have no idea at all what the Bible says. The book of Revelation is filled with the judgement on the great, the leaders, the rulers of nations. Have you even read the NT?

As for the standard for "two witnesses" we have since learned in Forensic science that one witness is less than 50% accurate. If you only have a single witness chances are the person is innocent. But once you have two witnesses that agree the chances are better than 50% you have a guilty person. In addition the OT makes it very clear that "blood" can be a witness. Physical evidence can be a witness. It does not have to simply be two people who are eyewitnesses.

Your task is simple. Just produce a verse in the New Testament which says that women are allowed to break the silence imposed upon them in 1st Timothy to speak up and report sexual abuse.