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Originally Posted by zeek
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Now who is being naive. In the US it is not whether or not someone is guilty, it is whether or not you can prove they are guilty.
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Impeachment can have unintended political consequences as has been demonstrated in the past after A. Johnson and Clinton. The Democratic base may want impeachment, but the party leaders want to proceed with caution. If the Republicans support impeachment as you said of course that could change.
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There is no other option. I would absolutely reject the idea of a criminal trial a sitting president. Step 1 -- impeachment. Step 2 -- Trial. Now there is no reason that the evidence would have to be sealed, Mueller's report can be made public and if that is not enough to get powerful public support for impeachment then the case is weak. Just look at the last midterm, the public is not giving Trump a pass, not even in Mississippi.
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The immigration problem is a result of the inability of the major parties in Washington to agree on a rational policy due to politicization. The problem is made worse by Trump's fear-mongering. But, your claim that the immigrants "won" is more of the same.
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The hypocrisy is overwhelming on both sides. Republicans claim they want to strengthen the borders, etc but the biggest violators are Republicans who really want their employees to be illegal aliens that are afraid to speak up lest they get deported. This is why I said the immigrants won because neither party would have ever done a referendum, this election was a referendum.
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The victory was less than overwhelming. The Democrats won the House of Representatives. They didn't win the Senate. And there's a conservative majority in the SCOTUS. They picked up some Gubernatorial seats some state legislative seats. But, the Republicans have more. The Republicans won big in Florida.
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Democrats did as good or better than every single projection. No one projected a victory this big. On one hand they have a very firm control of the house whereas most projections only gave Democrats good odds to win the house, not nearly in such a dominating way.
They don't control the Senate, but how much are they lacking -- 2 seats. In 2 years 33 senators will be up for election, probably 16-17 will be Republican. They saw the heavy losses in this election and they will take that into consideration. I would not be surprised if a few flip here and there. the fear of Trump has to be much less than it was, and if Mueller's report is as damaging as many say it will be (politically, not criminally) then These Republicans may be very eager to distance themselves from him.
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Actually there was more than one issue involved. But, right, more people are getting involved which is good for democracy which is a good thing to us who believe in that sort of thing.
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Compared to the abuses of 200 years ago we have had great improvement. Democracy was an experiment 250 years ago, today it is stronger than ever with China and Russia doing a last ditch effort to undermine it, but once their lies get exposed it will make us stronger and make them look even worse.