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Old 11-26-2018, 11:04 AM   #3
zeek
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Default Re: Politics and the Church

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Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah View Post
If he is guilty of those things there should be a closed door hearing, let the house and senate see the evidence. The House now has a very solid Democratic majority and surely a couple of Republicans would also vote for impeachment if there was evidence sufficient to convict.
That's a naive assumption. There's plenty of evidence. https://www.economist.com/united-sta...Ed3jDOHbYFvknw What is needed is the political will.

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After this last election the Republicans would have to realize that the only way to avoid being destroyed in 2 years is to support impeachment in such a case. I am all for impeaching him if you have solid evidence of a crime. I also believe that impeachment is the only first step. You can't have a sitting president also being tried in a criminal court. Impeach him, then let him defend himself.
Impeachment can have unintended political consequences as has been demonstrated in the past after A. Johnson and Clinton. The Democratic base may want impeachment, but the party leaders want to proceed with caution. If the Republicans support impeachment as you said of course that could change.
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Great. Well human history does not progress in a straight line. If you are absolutely, 100% correct about him, then the benefit of his administration is twofold

1. Motivated the vote
2. Referendum on the immigration issue and the immigrants clearly won.
The immigration problem is a result of the inability of the major parties in Washington to agree on a rational policy due to politicization. The problem is made worse by Trump's fear-mongering. But, your claim that the immigrants "won" is more of the same.

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I think this last election was an overwhelming victory for the Democrats. The voters are speaking. If we think of the collective wisdom the voters made it clear they were not going to let Hillary Clinton be elected and now they are not going to allow Trump to run the country either.
The victory was less than overwhelming. The Democrats won the House of Representatives. They didn't win the Senate. And there's a conservative majority in the SCOTUS. They picked up some Gubernatorial seats some state legislative seats. But, the Republicans have more. The Republicans won big in Florida.

You think it's a president's job is to "run the country"? The POTUS directs one branch of the Federal Government. He's not an absolute monarch or the CEO of the USA. The US Constitution doesn't empower the POTUS to "run the country." That's not how the USA is supposed to work. Your statement suggests a fundamental misunderstanding of the US government on your part.

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In addition they have made it clear how they feel about immigration and they realize for the first time that their vote does matter and they need to become involved.
Actually there was more than one issue involved. But, right, more people are getting involved which is good for democracy which is a good thing to us who believe in that sort of thing.
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