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Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Because I do not understand the use of "Trump sympathizer" in juxtaposition with Nazi sympathizer.

You're the one who played the Nazi card. Now you're playing it again. Shows you have a weak hand.

Trump is the president, elected based on our system of free and fair elections.

How many times has Trump called the election process rigged and claimed voter fraud? You're not listening to the guy you're arguing for.

He is rude, but no ruder than LBJ or Nixon were in private, so he is simply far more transparent than previous presidents. He is morally compromised, but no more so than JFK or Clinton or FDR, the only difference is that his sins are plastered all over the TV far more than FDR's or JFK's were.

You're putting down Trump's number one strength: His ability to dominate the news cycle day after day. Of course, he has turned public discourse into a reality TV show to accomplish this. What you're calling "transparency" is his total lack of a sense of shame.

He is under investigation, but so was Clinton (Whitewater), so was Nixon (Watergate), so was Reagan (Iran Contra), so how does that make him any different from previous presidents?

He's at least guilty of obstructing justice, violating the US Constitution separation of powers and the emoluments clause. He makes Nixon's crimes look small time.

He may have offensive positions, for example climate denial. But all the other presidents except for Carter were nothing more than lip service. Kyoto was not a cure, simply a bandaid to provide a fig leaf. The only president who was actually serious about cutting our dependence on Middle Eastern oil was Carter and they hit him with a phony oil embargo engineered by US oil men resulting in him being booted from office. Trump is simply being honest about the US not doing anything about climate change but doing the bidding of big oil.

This is patently false. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_Power_Plan

So what is the reason for the incredibly insulting attacks on Trump? Because a few white supremacists support him? They are US citizens, just as much as the most militant Black lives matter supporters are too. There are nasty, outrageous, racist jerks that supported Obama. For example the pastor of his church. I didn't hold Obama responsible for some of his worst supporters. If 50 million people vote for someone then it only stands to reason that some of those people will be offensive jerks.

I don't like Trump. He's hurting and endangering the country. He encourages White Supremacists. They have grown stronger under his nurturing. I feel it's a civic duty to protest against him.

The Bible says to pray for the president. I prayed for Obama, I pray for Trump.

I believe in freedom of religion and freedom from it. You're welcome to pray for whoever you want. On the other hand, if people in the American colonies had simply prayed for King George we'd still be groveling under one of them. I don't have to grovel before King Trump.

There is no Biblical basis or wisdom in likening Trump to a nazi just as there isn't any wisdom in likening Obama to the muslim terrorists.

Over and over you play the Nazi card. Notice how I refuse to take the bait. Of course, your argument is fantastically anachronistic since neither Trump nor Nazism, nor Muslim terrorists nor Obama are in the Bible. You don't seem to have a sense of when your thoughts are becoming bizarre and irrational.

On the other hand there are things to appreciate about him.

1. What campaign promise did he make that he didn't keep?

Now this is a ridiculous question coming from anyone who is paying attention.

Trump duped people with a lot of unrealistic promises, so it isn't surprising that there are many promises he hasn't fulfilled. His followers loved him because he voiced their wishful fantasies and they wanted to believe his lies that he was a self-made billionaire. There are so many. I'll give you a few examples

He didn't lock up Hillary Clinton.

His Trumpcare "better-than-Obamacare" plan doesn't exist. He promised to abolish Trumpcare. Hasn't happened.

Where' his trillion dollar infrastructure reconstruction? Where's his wall?

He promised he wouldn't take vacations.
He promised a 4 percent economic growth rate each year. It didn't happen in 2017.

He said he would establish a ban on Muslims entering the U.S. Didn't happen. He said he'd raise taxes on the rich including himself.

As a candidate, Trump promised to raise taxes on the rich; as president, he promised tax changes that at a minimum wouldn’t benefit the rich.

Trump promised to break up America’s largest banks by reinstated old Glass-Steagall regulations that prevented financial conglomerates from operating in multiple lines of business.

Trump promised price controls on prescription drugs.

Trump promised to “take the oil” from Iraq to reduce the financial burden of US military policy.

Trump promised many times that he would release his tax returns and promised to put his wealth into a blind trust.

Trump vowed rollback of climate change regulations but said he was committed to upholding clean air and clean water goals. Clean air and water enforcement by EPA has moved in just the opposite direction.

(can't say that about any previous president).

You can't say that about this one either. But, you just did. So, you're wrong, as I just showed.

2. His picks for Supreme court have been highly qualified and respected irrespective of your political beliefs or the nasty trial they were put through.
(again, not true of some of our previous Supreme court nominees, some of whom were simply political appointees without any real qualifications as a judge).

Since when do you care whom the Washington insiders respect? "Drain the Swamp" Trump has no respect for an independent judiciary. Ask Chief Justice Roberts. Trump believes he's appointed to lackeys to the bench, and so should you. That's how it really works. Don't be a dope. They both dissembled during the hearings in order to get in. Kavanaugh in particular destroyed any respect I might have had for him with his shameful performance in the hearings.

3. First president we have had with a backbone to go after China, unlike all the other wimps who talked a lot and did nothing.

In a stupid destructive way.

4. Hasn't got us into a war.

His first term ain't over yet. He has weakened our alliances to the point that if we do get into a war we'll be fighting it alone.

5. Economy is good.

Low age jobs are plentiful. But, the American dream is dying and the life support system is threatened by Trump and the stingy party. The gap between rich and poor grows ever wider.

Trump stole from the government coffers and gave to the very rich, and nothing big happened in the economy as a result. That's bad.

Where are the rising wages, better health care, better schools, better job growth? Now we have less government services and protections, and a debt that will be paid by our grandchildren.

But the one percent is glutted with enough wealth turn the whole thing around if it weren't for greed. We're living in the second Gilded Age.

6. His sending the military to the border is simply logistical support for a thousand+ refugees. No guns, no tanks, no basis for the absurd vitriolic attacks from some "reputable" media outlets. Simply doing things in good order.

Simply a shameful political ploy and misuse of the military personnel and resources.