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Originally Posted by zeek
Not "digression"...regression.
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Seriously?! You think the US has returned to a former, less developed state? I haven't. I don't know anyone who has. Have you? Barring some completely unforeseen revelation, even the worst case currently being considered Trump will not be any worse than Ray Nagin. So where is the regression? Ray Nagin had far worse racist comments than anything Trump said ("New Orleans needs to be a chocolate city"), and convicted on many counts of fraud and corruption, all the time blaming his accusers far more than any "fake news" claims by Trump.
If you believe that Trump represents a "less developed state" than Obama that is not regression unless you feel that during Obama's presidency Trump and his supporters were in a more developed state but have since regressed. I don't think they have changed all that much, and if they have changed it hasn't been a regression.
Or you have to believe that Obama supporters have switched to becoming Trump supporters. I don't believe that at all. No evidence, certainly not in Brooklyn.
Or you have to believe that laws in this country have changed. Now if you said that after 911 with the passing of the Patriot Act that was a regression, I would not disagree. But, pray tell, what laws have changed that you can point to as a clear, undeniable regression in our civilization? If you said this after the JFK assassination when our foreign policy was completely changed, I would again not disagree. But I have not seen anything like that with Trump.
The only things that I can see Trump really having a big influence on:
1. Got a lot more people to get out and vote.
2. Got the country riled up to say we are not for being abusive towards immigrants and refugees.
3. Advanced the peace process with N. Korea
4. Had a very favorable impact on US economy.
5. Has strengthened our relationship with Israel
6. Might have a very good impact on trade treaties, especially with China.
7. So far has not gotten us into a war.
8. Picked two Supreme court justices, both were highly qualified.
What is it that I am missing that you see as this great "regression" in our civilization?
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Originally Posted by zeek
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Sure, like Al Gore. What exactly did the Clinton Administration do that had any real impact on reversing Climate change? In my experience the Democrats tell the voters what they want to hear, and then just do the bidding of the corporations, the Republicans are more honest in that way, they don't pretend they care or will actually do anything.