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Originally Posted by zeek
So you don't think he should have become more concerned about Trump than those other presidents? Cuz I think he should be. I think Trump's divisiveness, nativism, fear-mongering and demagoguery surpasses all those previous guys that I mentioned. Thus the cult of personality around him is more dangerous.
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My opinion is that the US is on a path that is not sustainable.
1. We have a govt run by Corporations, particularly Big Oil, which has been willing to get us involved in wars that are not truly about self defense, all with the result that we have run up huge national debts, damaged our reputation around the world, while our leaders spew lies. When you ignore LBJ's fraud to get elected, then it isn't a big leap to see this man is VP who will do anything to get power, signaling a green light to the CIA to go ahead and remove JFK. If you weren't alarmed when we went full boar into Vietnam to develop our weapons manufacturing. IF you weren't alarmed then, what can anyone say, provoking Iraq to start the Gulf war is not a big leap, 911 is predictable, lying about WMD, just par for the course. Trillion dollar wars for oil, doesn't bother you? That all preceded Trump.
Why oh why would would anyone think Trump could get away with some of his most outlandish statements. Perhaps because no one cared about lies, fraud, assassinations, and trillion dollar wars up to this point.
Hmm, Let's see ...
June 12 1994 — OJ Simpson was arrested for the murder of his wife. The most covered crime in American history, 139 days on TV, front page of LA Times for 300 days, covered by 2,237 news outlets. The news media spent $50 billion covering it. Cost to California taxpayers — approximately $10 million. The number of witnesses who died or disappeared — 0.
Likewise with Jon Benet Ramsey. ABC, NBC and CBS did 84 featured stories on this case. The number of witnesses who died or disappeared — 0.
Dec 19, 1998 — Bill Clinton was impeached. Cost to US taxpayers — $7 million, cost by media covering it, $69 million. The number of witnesses who died or disappeared — 0.
Nov 22, 1963 — JFK assassinated. Most horrific assassination in our history and the most dramatic change in national policy. Number of days investigated in public by the media or government — 0. The amount of money spent by the media to investigate it? $8,000. The amount of money paid by main stream media and the government to have it
not investigated — $18 billion. The number of witnesses who died or disappeared — 78. The number of American soldiers killed in the fake wars following JFK’s death — 68,750. The number of innocent Vietnamese, Iraqis and others killed 3.5 million. The cost for these fake wars — $4.5+ trillion.
But you say Trump is more dangerous! Wow! Tell me more.
The ultimate goal of propaganda is you take everything for granted and stop asking questions. By that measure Trump has been a total failure, instead of lulling everyone to sleep everyone is stirred up to vote and take part in what is going on. That is why I see him as much less insidious than what took place after JFK was assassinated.
By contrast George Bush was an aw shucks kind of guy, course his brother ran security for 2 of the aircraft used on 911, both of the twin towers, and Dulles Int airport where two of the planes took off from. But hey, conspiracy theories are for lunatics even though the CIA is the a huge organization that by definition all of their jobs are conspiracies. The steel from the building was the evidence, FBI and Homeland security were not allowed to view the evidence instead it was sent to China and destroyed. Tampering and destroying evidence in a murder investigation is a federal crime, but again, hey you are a lunatic for saying anything. Jet fuel burns at 800 degrees F, and steel doesn't hit critical temperature until 2,000 degrees. Besides the hottest temperature achieved in the twin towers was 10 days after the collapse, when the fire department measured temperatures in excess of 2,000 degrees even though jet fuel burns off in 15 minutes, but you know, enough already. The only reasonable explanation for these temperatures is thermite, an explosive used in demolition of steel frame buildings. And of course, none of that explains why building 7 collapsed, in seconds, into its own foundation, symmetrically, at 5 pm, without ever being hit by an airplane. But this is idiotic, why would anyone do this? (Ignoring Larry Silversteins quote on PBS that he gave the order to "pull it" ordering a controlled demolition of the building.) I mean other than getting an excuse for a trillion dollar war into the Middle East, securing the largest oil field and gas field that can be developed outside of the US, and completely revamping our military for drones and robots with a blank check from Congress. Can anyone really believe a nice guy like George Bush who paints pictures could do such a thing? We all know Dick Cheney could, I guess the real question is could someone do this without George knowing? But what would Larry Silverstein's motive be to destroy his own buildings? He had bought this property just a few months earlier for 3+ billion dollars and then got 5+ billion dollars in the insurance payout.
I think Zeek prefers liars that make him feel comfortable, hide the lies better so that he can pretend he isn't agreeing to be lied to, whereas Trump is so transparent and obvious you feel "What, does this guy think I'm an idiot!" Well, yeah.