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Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!
So taking from Nee's quote (in the first message of this thread - BTW: does this come from a book?), here are the three basic schools of thought concerning the rapture:
(1) The whole body of the saved will be raptured before the Great Tribulation
(2) The whole body of the saved must go through the Great Tribulation before they are raptured
(3) A part of the saved will be raptured before the Great Tribulation and a part of them will be raptured after the Great Tribulation.
Personally, I have always thought that both #1 and #2 had good scripture to back up their respective viewpoints. That is, there are verses to show the rapture happens before the Great Trib, and there are verses to show it happens after the Great Trib. Therefore, #3 must be the most accurate.
What do you think: #1, #2 or door #3?
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I LEAN on Door #1. BUT Door #1 must be more specific. Many believers are not saved because they have never truly trusted/experienced the Precious Blood of Jesus. They think they will go to heaven by believing in God and doing good works, going to church, giving tithes, giving to the poor etc..
If a person is truly washed in the Blood of the Lamb, the person is eternally saved, even if he /she 'backslides'. The reason we believers stand before the JUDGE at the Bema seat is to receive our rewards. At least 5 crowns (rewards) are mentioned in the scriptures. (Crown of Life, Righteousness, Exultation, (Rejoicing), and crown of Glory,).
No true believer washed in the Blood of Jesus will lose his/her salvation. (a debatable discussion among many Christian 'churches'. The confusion with the doctrine of salvation among different Christian circles is the lack of understanding the teaching and application of Christ's Blood.
That lack of understanding IMHO then leads to the 'partial rapture' theory, which does make sense. Many 'Christians' may be 'left behind' because while they might believe in God, in Jesus, are church goers but
they are NOT Blood washed believers!
I don't know about you guys who were/are in the LC, but learning and experiencing the POWER of the Cleansing Blood of Jesus in my hey day in the LC, is what has truly SAVED me and kept me from the fear of man...especially the religious man. I remember hearing
something like if a person leaves the LC, bad things happen. So the POWER OF THE BLOOD OF JESUS is of no avail then? Please.
Sorry to digress.
There is another interesting study that has grabbed my attention this past year which has clarified some questions on the rapture.. partial or not.
In a nutshell (if that is EVEN possible)
I have discovered that when Jesus was talking about His return, as in Matthew 24, Jesus is not talking about the rapture spoken of in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 or in 1 Corinthians 15:52.
Had I known this when I came on board with the moniker "countmeworthy" taken from Luke 21:36, I might not have chosen that moniker!
I AM counted worthy to escape ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE about to come to pass! I am not going to be left behind or go through the Trib! Revelation 3:10 11 tells us:
Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. 11 I am coming quickly; hold fast what you have, so that no one will take your crown.
I AM WASHED, CLEANSED, SANCTIFIED BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB! In Luke 21:36, Jesus is telling the JEWS to watch, to pray TO BE COUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE THE TRIB! The church had not yet been born! He was not talking to the gentiles!
Again in Luke 21, as in Matthew 24, Jesus is speaking to the JEWS. They had no knowledge of the rapture or the church or the infilling of the Holy Spirit. So the TRIBULATION which is 7 yrs, and the last 3 1/2 being the GREAT TRIB is mainly for the JEWS who rejected Jesus. The religious, orthodox Jews are waiting for the Messiah to come.
I also think and it is MY PERSONAL OPINION,
that Hebrews was written to the saved Jews.. and it is very possible, the non believing Jews who are left behind going through the TRIB will read HEBREWS when they realize the rapture has occurred.
I don't think Nee and Lee even knew this. As I wrote earlier, the LC teachings on the rapture be it partial, pre trib, mid trib, post trib or even PAN TRIB.. (it will all pan out = pan trib
) were very confusing to me. And when I have asked LCrs in recent years their thoughts on the rapture, they are tongue tied.