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Originally Posted by aron
And likewise, you see Christ in David smashing Goliath in the head with a stone? And Agag getting stabbed by Samuel? And Deborah driving a nail into the skull of Sisera?
Well, alrighty then. We all can see where you stand on violence in the OT.
Shouldn't David submit to Goliath? That would have been the NT thing to do in those circumstances. Show love. Turn the other cheek, go the second mile.
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Hmmm.. ok, so now you don’t see Christ in the story of Goliath having previously argued in its favor. Instead, you think David should have submitted to Goliath in the name of love... and you see Christ in the smashing of infants against rocks.
Nutty.
Here is the problem with your human concepts Aron (your cohort Miller holds the same erroneous core belief) ....at the source it starts by a misunderstanding on your part, a misunderstanding that seems right but actually is very misguided ..... it is the erroneous belief that because all Scripture is God breathed that every word in it depicts or portrays Christ. The scripture is God breathed but not every word or verse or Psalm or expression of an idea represents Christ, or Gods economy, or the revelation of Gods purpose and things related. Rather, the God breathed word shows us those things, sometimes and often hidden in a mosaic, but it also shows us contrasting human concepts, man’s expression of his ideas about God or God’s care for His people, etc. Those human ideas are there in the God breathed word for our understanding and are profitable for correction, reproof, and instruction in righteousness. The error that you and Mr. Miller are deeply stuck in is in equating the definition of “God breathed” with a portrayal of Christ. The Bible never makes a claim to your method of interpretation and by embracing it so adamantly you have fallen into the error described above.. you then end up teaching nutty interpretations such as depicting Christ in the smashing of infants against rocks.
When applying OT to the NT it is important to keep in mind what the NT conveys about the Lord and how He is depicted as the tabernacle, the offerings, the Noahic flood, the rock that followed the Israelites, the Red Sea, etc. and is compared or contracted in some aspect to various personalities like Moses, David, Solomon, or Enoch.... but not in every way is the Lord like the types that typify Him. Therefore, some discernment must be made about which OT items represent Him in allegory, figures, and types and how they do not. A wholesale read back of the NT into the Psalms is not supported by the scripture itself. This is where your logic and understanding have failed you and where I hoped to open a window that you may see the fallacy of your argument in your blind spot. You rejected that in favor of digging into some rather bizarre and contradictory statements and teachings. Yet, I think yours is the quintessential example of how a misunderstanding of a core belief as described above can vector off into a series of odd, nutty, or bizarre beliefs down the line. Off a quarter inch today and you are then off by a quarter mile tomorrow.
Hope that helps.
Drake