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Originally Posted by zeek
Right. Noah didn't say anything about the African-French players being bred for slavery which was Jimmy the Greek's hypothesis.
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No, Jimmy the Greek's hypothesis was that slaves were bred to be bigger, stronger, faster. As a result descendants of slaves were better athletes.
Noah's hypothesis was that five members of the French soccer team with African ancestry was the reason the team won, so much so that it wasn't a French victory but African victory.
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Originally Posted by zeek
Noah's original point was that France seemed to be denying the player's African origins. In the process of making the joke he went to the other extreme and denied their Frenchness which is what offended Araud.
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Ridiculous. How exactly did France deny their heritage?
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Originally Posted by zeek
Right. But, the Nazi's say it with hatred of the other whereas Noah said it with pride of identity.
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Yes, well the Nazi's also have a form of "pride of identity". They are mirror images of one another.
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Originally Posted by zeek
I don't see it as a trick. As the Frenchman commented "Unlike in the United States of America, France does not refer to its citizens based on their race, religion or origin. To us there is no hyphenated identity." Noah to make his joke made the parallel error of erasing their Frenchness.
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The trick is that the French never erased anyone's heritage. No one has denied where they came from, who their parents were or any of their family history. All the French are saying is that the team was the French Team.
It was Noah, not the French, who erased the French team, saying that "Africa won the world cup". Anyone who embraced the French team as their team, including all of the players, would have been offended by that.