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Originally Posted by zeek

It was a French ambassador to the US not "the French Leader" who wrote the letter to Trevor Noah.

Here is Roseanne Barr defending herself to give you a little taste of why she was fired. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl0hLA4B_HE

Here's Trevor Noah defending himself: https://slate.com/culture/2018/07/tr...nts-video.html

Do you discern a difference? Do see why someone might not want to work with Ms. Barr? Even if you don't agree with Noah, at least he keeps his sh*t together.

Any similarity between what Noah said and what Jimmy the Greek said exists solely in your mind.

So we can now see that this has nothing to do with Network TV vs Cable, glad we could get that out of the way.

Jimmy the Greek said said "many blacks were superior athletes because of breeding from the time of slavery and that the only area in sports left for whites was coaching."

Trevor Noah said “Africa won the world cup, Africa won the world cup, Africa won the world cup, Africa won the world cup, I get it, they have to say it’s the French team but look at those guys, you don’t get that tan by hanging out in the south of France my friend. Basically if you don’t understand France is Africa’s back up team”.

This is based on the fact that 5 out of 11 players are black. However, 21 out of 23 were born in France and all 23 are French citizens.

As Araud writes, “Unlike the United States of America, France does not refer to their citizens based on their race, religion or origin. To us, there is no hyphenated identity, roots are an individual reality. By calling them an African team, it seems you are denying their Frenchness. This, even in jest, legitimizes the ideology which claims whiteness as the only definition of being French.” Hence my conclusion as well as many others that this was a racist comment by Noah.

So then, perhaps this is in my mind.

Certainly Trevor Noah is not accusing France of cheating, that would be a major scandal and inconceivable that they could get away with having ringers play for them.

So then, what does he mean “Africa won the world cup”. In my understanding he is saying that France won because of the black players, perhaps I misunderstood, you can clarify this for me. What did he mean that France is “Africa’s back up team”?

Perhaps he is not saying that “many blacks are superior athletes” and that this is why France won (which is what Jimmy the Greek was saying). So since you apparently understand his “joke” differently why not explain it to us.

Also, does your silence on the other four facts indicate that you agree that they are the facts?

Also, is your response now that Roseanne was fired because they didn't want to work with her, but that it is OK to be totally racist and insulting as long as you "can keep your sh*t together"?

Really? His response Noah reads letter:
Ambassador "nothing could be less true"
Noah "I could have said Scandinavia won, that would be less true"

He doubled down on his racist comments.

Ambassador "the rich and varied background is a reflection of France's diversity"
Noah "I don't want to be an asshole but I think it is a reflection of France's colonialism".

Clearly, Noah is tying his comment into slavery.

Noah refers to "Nazi's" in France who attack the French players of African heritage and tell them "to go back to Africa, you aren't french, you are African". This is what the Ambassador was repudiating and to him, to me and to many others (obviously not Zeek, we are still waiting for his insight) what Noah said was equivalent to what the Nazi's were saying. Both were saying that they weren't french they were Africans.

Then Noah pulls a very deceitful little trick. "In order to be French you have to erase everything that is African?" He was the one that erased their status as French. He was the one that said, based on five players, that a team of 23 French men did not represent France's victory but Africa's. How is any of this a celebration that they could become French?

He says "I don't take their frenchness away". Really, sure fooled me and everyone else in France. Not only did he take the "frenchness" away from the five, but from all 23.

So yes, I see a difference. Trevor Noah is more polished at lying and being deceitful. Personally I think his critique of Roseanne is very appropriate here. He makes it very clear in his little monologue that saying something that is racist means you are racist.