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Originally Posted by Drake
You may have a point in the above, I cannot say if factually you are correct. ... but perhaps it is related to a point that Evangelical made a few posts back.
Yet that was not my objection. Aron referenced a footnote in the Recovery Version (Revelation 1:20) to substantiate his Asian culture claim. That footnote does not say or even imply what he said it does... it comes nowhere near to it. He is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts.
Therefore, aron, back to your assertion...... that footnote says the local churches are identical in "nature, shape, and purpose". According to that footnote what does the nature, shape, and purpose refer to?
Drake
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According to the footnote, as read to us by the "trainers" in the LSM, it meant "flavor". In other words, we use spiritual mumbo-jumbo to tell people, "get with the program".
But truly it wasn't ALL of the LC that was abusive, manipulative, and controlling. Just enough of it that a clear pattern was established. Somewhere between zero and 100%. Jane Anderson, Max and Sandee Rappaport, 'Hope' and John So, Bill Mallon, the sisters abused by Philip Lee, Sal Benoit and the Daystar 'investors', Bill Freeman, etc.
I admit that also there's abuse and manipulation in non-LC churches and in non-religious groups. But in the LC it's well-covered over by those spiritual words. Because in the LC you don't talk. Another Chinese trait. Just smile and nod.
Who was the Chinese brother (Samuel Chang?) walking with the American brother in the mid-60s, who turned to the American (Don Hardy?) and said, "You have to watch out for Witness Lee's family", then clapped his hand over his mouth and said, "Oh! I shouldn't have said that!" Why? Chinese culture says it's bad form to speak of others like that. So Lee's past got hidden by people who knew. When the Tour of Asia happened and Lee took those strapping young American men, none of the Chinese warned the Americans what was coming. Bad form to speak ill. So they let it pass. And when the storm came the Americans didn't know what hit them. But the Chinese already knew.
Lee would hide behind words, "Nature, shape, and purpose". But those on the ground knew exactly what it meant. When Lee looked over the mass of humanity dressed in identical garments he couldn't contain his delight. This is what
Ohio tells us of what he saw during the "New Way" in Taipei. Another witness to the non-witness of Witness Lee. He wasn't testifying of Christ, but his native culture. (but he wasn't a monster;
Drake says we say that here but I don't ever remember using that word. WL was just another sinner trapped by his concepts and his flesh).