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Originally Posted by awareness
Okay. Jesus spoke Hebrew, Aramaic, Koine Greek ... and King James.
Or it would have been nice if he spoke King James. Because how much has been lost in translation to us today is untold.
That, and many more reasons, is why we just have to believe God wrote all the books of the Bible ... and then protected them down thru the ages, all the way down to us.
But back to Hellenism for a second. As far as I'm concerned Toynbee crashed and burned. Turns out he had a a strong bias against Hellenism, based on skimpy evidence.
Toynbee said Hellenism committed suicide around the 5th c. BC. When Hellenism turn to "man and city-state worship." That Toynbee considered idolatry, or turning away from God(s).
If that's true, Jesus would have definitely rejected Hellenism, and would have been working against Hellenism, to bring them back to God. He was doing the same to the Judaic religion of his day, that had combined with Hellenic rulers.
Jesus did this, I suppose killing two birds with one stone, by introducing "The Father." Jesus wasn't a "man" or "city-state" worshiper.
So how Christianity became about man worship I don't know.
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The Wikipedia article I referenced lists Aramaic phrases Jesus spoke quoted in the original language in the Gospels. So the evidence that Jesus spoke Aramaic is highly probable the other two languages-possible based on circumstantial evidence.
Your statement that we just have to believe that God wrote all the books of the Bible and then protected them down through the ages seems disingenuous. What do you really mean?
And you still haven't shown us where Toynbee said that Hellenism was only exterior and used a compost metaphor. Now you claim he has a strong bias against Hellenism, stated that Hellenism committed suicide around the 5th Century BC and turned to man and city-state worship. Where do you read that?