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Originally Posted by A little brother
I still do not quite understand your concept on salvation. What do you mean by "the necessary teaching for salvation"? Is knowing this teaching a necessary condition of salvation? If it is specifically on one teaching (Christ came in flesh), how comes it became all things in verse 27? What are the things?
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The things are the necessary things they need to know for Salvation..ie that Jesus is the Christ, the son of God who came in the flesh. All these things. The meaning is "you already have what you need". Even though as Jo stated the word pas means all things, this doesn't prove anything, the context is what is important as I will illustrate below.
Here is a simple example:
Suppose you asked me to buy milk, bread and cheese from the shop, I bought it and came back. I said to you, "here a little brother, I bought you the milk, bread and cheese that you wanted, is there anything else you need?" and you replied to me "you have everything", am I then to interpret you as saying that I have literally bought everything in the shop? What you really mean, of course, is that "you have what I need".
Looking closer at the Greek ( I use an interlinear), the word for "all things" is pantōn and you can see the use of it here:
http://biblehub.com/greek/panto_n_3956.htm
If you want to interpret "all things" as literally everything, then you'd have to interpret the other verses to mean literally everything as well. For example, when Jesus said "you will be hated by all", he does not mean every single person will hate them.
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Originally Posted by A little brother
For those who have left the recovery and have denied that Jesus Christ came in the flesh, are they not truly saved? Even though they have called "On Lord Jesus" a thousand times?
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They must not have been truly saved if they have denied Jesus came in the flesh according to 1 John 4:2. If they called on the Lord Jesus it was not as a believer but as an unbeliever, as faith is necessary to calling (belief in the heart, with confession/calling with the mouth). Maybe their fruit is very good, they might help and encourage people and give to the poor, they are nice people overall. But if these people prophesied in the meeting I would know that they not of the Spirit because they deny Jesus came in the flesh even if they quoted the Bible or the morning revival word for word.
More than in any denomination, because everyone has the chance to speak and not just a denominationally-endorsed and authorized pastor/priest, we have to apply the scriptural tests like 1 John 4:2 in every meeting. So I think I know what I'm talking about and the effectiveness of these simple tests. They work effectively against Eastern Lightning in particular. In denominations these tests work against free-masons and illuminati. They don't work so well with Jehovah's Witnesses for them we need a different test.