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Old 05-25-2018, 09:37 PM   #5
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Default Re: Latter Rain, Kingdom Now, & the Lord's Recovery

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Originally Posted by Jo S View Post
"Usurp" means to take by force. The purpose of using this specific word by these movements (Witness Lee also chose to use this term) is to provoke an emotional response as a type of rally cry.

Satan didn't force Eve to take the fruit, she willfully sinned just as Esau willfully gave up his inheritance. He didn't take dominion, it was lost through sin.
The meaning of the word usurp is not "take by force", and so the rest of your assertions are also wrong which are based on this wrong meaning about force.

I know you don't like external references but I must refer to a dictionary because your definitions are so wrong:

Usurp was borrowed into English in the 14th century from the Anglo-French word usorper, which in turn derives from the Latin verb usurpare, meaning "to take possession of without a legal claim." Usurpare itself was formed by combining usu (a form of usus, meaning "use") and rapere ("to seize").
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/usurp

Take possession of without a legal claim can be by force but it can also be by deception. For example Jacob is also known as a usurper but there was no force, just deception.


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The "God of peace" will defeat Satan after his coming and after the millennial reign (Revelation 20), and not a pre-tribulation pre-raptured global church formed by MOTA'S or any other man. The LC looks to restore and organize Christianity in a one church per city model before Christ's coming. This won't happen because it's not scripture. If it does happen, it's not Jesus Christ's church. It's Anti-Christ's.
If this verse referred to the second coming then why does it say shortly, i.e. "under your feet shortly"?

Your statement about it being Anti-Christ does not make sense. Yes I can see it happening, after the whole world has one church per city, in order to "bring the Lord back", then we'll bring out the pentagrams, the devil horns, force everyone to take a microchip in the hand, and when Christ comes tell Him to go back to Heaven.


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This is not written so why even consider this hypothetical? This scripturally unsupported mentality is where dominionism comes from. A need to dominate society absolutely through Christian ideology.

The commission given to God's people is to spread the gospel. Good works flow from that but a systematic organization of the church is not one of those works given to the Christians in scripture and it is not a work of ours that will defeat the works of Satan, that is a job for Christ's alone. (1 John 3:8).
The systematic organization of the church can be found here:

Acts 14:23
Paul and Barnabas appointed elders for them in each church and, with prayer and fasting, committed them to the Lord, in whom they had put their trust.

and here:

Titus 1:5
The reason I left you in Crete was that you might put in order what was left unfinished and appoint elders in every town, as I directed you.

And as a Christian I do not see a problem with dominating society with Christian idealogy. In fact I welcome it. The alternatives are atheist/secular, muslim, hindu, Jewish... the more Christian dominion the better I say.
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