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Originally Posted by Jo S
Believing it will take some sort of concerted work or effort by Christians, as in the LC's doctrine of locality along with the "bride of Christ" doctrine, to bring about the second coming of Christ is a form of Christian dominionism and it is a heretical belief. The problem is this inadvertently denies the finished work on the cross and God's sovereignty in the ability to establish his own church.
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That is nonsense because the local churches achieve this by "as the Lord leads". The finished work on the cross is for salvation and not for us to not do anything.
And on what authority do you say it is heretical other than your own?
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Originally Posted by Jo S
If you believe you can overcome the works of Satan by denying the flesh/world, then all the ascetics of all the world's religions have one up on you. This was the mentality of the Pharisees. They fasted twice a week thinking that righteousness came through this type of denial of the flesh. They too thought they were overcoming the world through these types of things.
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The Bible teaches to deny the flesh and the self. Do you deny this? Your accusations are baseless and ignorant. You are confusing the righteousness of salvation (as the Pharisees lived) with righteousness of practical living.
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Originally Posted by Jo S
Christians overcome through Christ's obedience and through his completed work on the cross and not by any works of our own, only faith. Can works accompany faith? Of course but our efforts, like setting up LC's in every city, do not and will not defeat the works of Satan. That is a work left to Christ alone (1 John 3:8).
By your own words you as an "overcomers" believe you will overcome the works of Satan when scripture teaches that Christ is the one that came to destroy Satan's works (1 John 3:8).
Overcoming and our works have no correlation. Overcoming is achieved only by faith in Christ's finished work.
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To say that overcoming and our works have no correlation means that everyone is an overcomer. So why would Christ talk about "to him who overcomes". If everyone is an overcomer there is no incentive and so Revelation is pointless. You are confusing salvation with how we live the Christian life and Christ does not discourage anyone from overcoming "as He also overcame":
Rev 3:21
21 To
him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne,
as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
It is well documented in Lee's teaching that we overcome only by Christ not ourselves. Yet, there are certain things we must do, such as pray, read the Word, fellowship, deny the self etc. You seem to be advocating a faith that is without any works at all which is not real faith (James 2:18). Only Satan would discourage Christians from even trying to overcome because of some twisted understanding of faith and works. You sound a lot like an ultra-Calvinist who thinks God's sovereignty will take care of everything and "Christ did so I don't have to".
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Originally Posted by Jo S
The issue is that Lee's solution to "overcoming" is denying or coming out of denominations and setting up LC's in every city across the globe. This is a concerted works based system meant to bringing about Christ's return and is dominionist in nature. This teaching can also be found in the Pentecostal Latter Rain movement.
The LC's extra-biblical revelation goes that "one church one city" will be the model for Christians before the return of Christ. This reality being a sort of preparation of the "bride". This is where the doctrine of the "bride of Christ" being the church then comes into play. This is all rooted in charismania.
Isn't that what you are doing?
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So what is the church for then? The church shouldn't do anything to prepare for Christ's return?
Where does the Bible say that Christ intended to return to a "messy house" after leaving it in good order as one church per city?