[Jo S]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

If it's nothing to do with eternal salvation then what is the real problem with works again? If it doesn't affect salvation then overcoming by works is a non-issue. It is no different to saying "I will show you my faith by my works". You seem to be saying that overcoming does not require effort on our part, you seem to ignore man's responsibility which seems ultra-Calvinistic.

Believing it will take some sort of concerted work or effort by Christians, as in the LC's doctrine of locality along with the "bride of Christ" doctrine, to bring about the second coming of Christ is a form of Christian dominionism and it is a heretical belief. The problem is this inadvertently denies the finished work on the cross and God's sovereignty in the ability to establish his own church.

If you believe you can overcome the works of Satan by denying the flesh/world, then all the ascetics of all the world's religions have one up on you. This was the mentality of the Pharisees. They fasted twice a week thinking that righteousness came through this type of denial of the flesh. They too thought they were overcoming the world through these types of things.

Christians overcome through Christ's obedience and through his completed work on the cross and not by any works of our own, only faith. Can works accompany faith? Of course but our efforts, like setting up LC's in every city, do not and will not defeat the works of Satan. That is a work left to Christ alone (1 John 3:8).

You made 3 false allegations:

"Lee's version of overcoming is one that's motivated by setting Satan up as a boogeyman yet to be defeated rather than overcoming through faith in Christ's work "

Firstly I think your language "Satan up as a boogeyman" is disrespectful and not taking the matter of Satan seriously. Lee definitely teaches overcoming through Christ's work. Satan is defeated, but his works are to be overcome.

By your own words you as an "overcomers" believe you will overcome the works of Satan when scripture teaches that Christ is the one that came to destroy Satan's works (1 John 3:8).

"knowing Satan has already been defeated on the cross."

Lee teaches that Satan has already been defeated on the cross and that the way to defeat Satan is by the cross. There's no disagreement there.

Lee does not motivate overcoming by setting Satan up as a boogeyman, it is the biblical motivation for overcoming which is to be rewarded and hear "well done good and faithful servant". This is well documented in Lee's teachings. It is motivated by faithfulness.

Overcoming and our works have no correlation. Overcoming is achieved only by faith in Christ.

The issue is that Lee's solution to "overcoming" is denying or coming out of denominations and setting up LC's in every city across the globe. This is a concerted works based system meant to bringing about Christ's return and is dominionist in nature. This teaching can also be found in the Pentecostal Latter Rain movement.

The LC's extra-biblical revelation goes that "one church one city" will be the model for Christians before the return of Christ. This reality being a sort of preparation of the "bride". This is where the doctrine of the "bride of Christ" being the church then comes into play. This is all rooted in charismania.

" Scripture says we overcome through the blood of the Lamb (Revelation 12:11) and not through an ideal."

The issue is that you are arguing from what you assume to know of Lee's teachings (which in essence constitute straw-man arguments) and not addressing Lee's teachings themselves. Lee states many times that we overcome by the blood.

Isn't that what you are doing?