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Old 05-22-2018, 06:51 PM   #10
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Default Re: Latter Rain, Kingdom Now, & the Lord's Recovery

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Originally Posted by Jo S View Post
Biblical dominion was a command according to God's will. Before the fall, humans and creation were both still under his will. That's why I say dominion is cooperation between ruler (being God through man) and subject (being the land and animals).

After the fall, Genesis 9 states that creation is now subject to terror and fear which confirms the transfer of dominion from man over to Satan. Dominion is taught after the fall, but it is no longer ours in accordance with God's original intent.

Scripture teaches that all powers on earth are established by God. So yes in order for someone to have dominion over people, those people will have to be in willful cooperation to the established power, in the case of Satan it is a cooperation through sin. This is scripture.
The transfer of dominion from man to Satan is not really taught in Scripture.

This CARM article explains why and includes scripture that teaches that dominion has always belonged to God:

https://carm.org/adam-fall-dominion

Adam's, Noahs and the Christian's dominion is not their own but through God or Christ.

If Satan is said to have any sort of dominion, it would be perceived dominion that he has acquired illegally or attributed to himself but not real dominion.

Scripture does not teach "Adam forfeited his right to have dominion and so God gave that dominion to Satan". Dominion always belonged to God and in some sense Adam as God's agent on Earth, forfeited his ability (not right) to exercise God's dominion.

The concept of Satan having legal rights over anything is not scriptural as Satan is said to be a thief, deceiver, liar, so anything he has or claims to have is illegally obtained.

I like how discussions diverge to more fundamental topics. In this case, the identity of Satan Himself i.e. Satan - illegal usurper?, or legitimate God-granted ruler of the world? The second identity I cannot see fitting within Old Testament (Jewish) or Christian theology.

But you can prove it with this verse:

Luke 4:6 And the devil said to him, All this power will I give you, and the glory of them: for that is delivered to me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.

How do we interpret Luke 4:6? Did God truly deliver everything to Satan?

Ellicotts commentary says this:

(6) For that is delivered unto me.—Better, hath been delivered unto me. The specific assertion of the usurped dominion, though implied in St. Matthew, is in its form peculiar to St. Luke. (See Note on Matthew 4:9.) The notion that any such delegated sovereignty had been assigned to the Tempter, either before or after his fall from his first estate, has, it need hardly be said, no foundation in Scripture. It asserts that “the earth is the Lord’s, and the fulness thereof” (Psalm 24:1); and the claim of the Tempter was a lying boast, resting only on the permitted activity and temporary predominance of evil in the actual course of the world’s history.

Gill's commentary says this:

for that is delivered unto me: so far he spoke modestly, in that he owned an original, superior governor of them, by whom he pretended they were transferred to him; but lied, in that he suggested they were put into his hands by him, who had the supreme power over them; and that he acted by his constitution and appointment, as a deputy under him; when what power he had, as the God of the world, was by usurpation, and not by designation of God; and at most only by permission: and least of all was it true what follows;

So if anyone believes that Satan has any sort of legality over the world, they have believed Satan's lie, for any power he had was by usurpation not designation.
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