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Originally Posted by awareness
I know brother. I've attended many of the churches in this area. And gotten involved. And I'm astounded at the ignorance I encounter.
Because I bring up matters in the Bible I've stirred up much trouble, and been accused of feeding meat to milk drinkers ; that are gray-hairs with grown children, but still drinking milk.
It's pathetic, I tell ya. So I say, poor, poor, poor Christianity, but not to put them down, or consider them lower then me. I may know a lot, but I'm no walk in the park either.
But maybe you are, I don't know. Are you better because you are in the local church? are you better because you consider that you are an overcomer? I'm not saying. I don't know.
But wouldn't an overcomer have arms open to them? Wouldn't they not condemn them, but love them?
I don't agree with poor, poor, poor, local churcher's, but I love them, or try to.
For instance, I don't see any reason to not love you. You're in an institution, one that's way more controlling than most other Christian sects ... sort of like the JWs and Mormons ... but I don't see that as a reason not to love you.
Do you love them, the JWs and Mormons? I do. Go on the Trinity thread on AltVs, and see my story of calling my JW friend, to discuss his views on the trinity. I love the guy, and his family.
As Christians, specailly if an overcomer, isn't that what we should be doing?
But for sure we shouldn't be wagging our fingers at them, and condemning them for not being in our "superior" church.
So Lee saying poor, poor, poor, Christianity is not Christian, and doesn't indicate anything close to overcoming.
Do you agree or not? Not that you're obligated to say. Just wondering ... to perchance see if you are indeed an overcomer. I'm hoping you are. I do see evidence out here that you very well may be ... or on your way at least.
Maybe then, you could help me. I'm trying to overcome it all too. It ain't easy, brother.
". . . work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."
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Hi awareness,
Thanks for your post.
I’m glad you shared your thoughts on overcoming. First, I really don’t know who the overcomers might be because that is in the Lords hands entirely. I often think those who gave their lives for the Lord over the past 2000 years would be instant overcomers. I met some throughout the years in various places that I thought very well might be overcomers in and outside the Lords recovery. Since the Lord called overcomers in every one of the seven churches in Revelation then I believe every church represented in Revelation 2 & 3 must have overcomers including some in the churches that will still be represented at the Lords return... Roman Catholic Church (Thyatira), Protestantism (Sardis), Philadelphia, and even Laodicea. There are many groups that are flying under the radar that could very well have overcomers. The simple yet committed believers suffering in China could have millions. A few years ago I met a messianic Jewish believer and her knowledge of the Bible was astounding. She indicated she returned to the land of Israel to live, evangelize the nation of Israel, and to bring the Lord back. Such consecration slew me. So, we just don’t know. Brother Lee shared on this matter that just because we are in the Lords recovery does not mean we will be an overcomer. Knowing that the Lord is calling overcomers causes us to aspire to it and that can increase our chances to attain it but still there is no guarantee. If we are not aware of the Lords call to overcomers then we might miss it but a seeker will look into it and pursue it. If I become introspective I assess that I am very far from it. However, when I am enjoying the Lord , caught up in His presence, then I realize that my responsibility is to pursue Christ and hope and pray that one day I will be counted worthy to obtain a crown or a white stone with a special name or some other reward. All symbolically significant.
As far as poor poor Christianity... that is calling a spade a spade in my view. It could include any group. I think the benefit of the phrase is that causes us to assess our condition according to the scripture. Brother Lee spent more time critiquing the Lords recovery than he did Christianity. Nothing wrong with that, rather that was a good thing. He really cared giving us lessons, laboring over them, and putting them into practice.
Thanks again Harold. Great insight and points you made.
Drake