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Old 03-19-2018, 08:06 AM   #8
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Default Re: Apostles in The Church: Yesterday and Today

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Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah View Post
If the NT record was as simple as you make it "no apostles after the first century" then there would be no need for the church in Ephesus to examine them, simply "are they on the approved list, yes or no?" There would also be no need for Paul to give the extensive description of the proofs of his apostleship, none of which were that he was "on the accepted list". If you accept the function of apostles to go out and establish churches then obviously we have had many apostles since the first century.

Therefore I do not find scriptural support for your position, other than to say that no one can claim to write scripture.
The record of the church in Ephesus was in the first century. Revelation was written around 90AD. Also, John was still alive. That was my point, there were no more apostles after the first generation, which ended roughly after the first century.

As I've said before, I did not say there were no Apostles but the 12 and Paul. I said the evidence is that every Apostle had a close association with Jesus or with someone who did. There is no evidence of an Apostle popping up and no being approved by the original Apostles. Peter and James approved Paul. It seems those other mentioned of Apostles in the NT are people Paul or some other original Apostle confirmed.

There is no way to confirm an Apostle without empowerment or the confirmation of know Apostles. Saying "oh he raised up churches" is not enough to confer to anyone (especially Lee) the kind of authority Lee presumed to have.

Also, I think the results of such unconfirmed succession speak for themselves. This board would not be here if they had been otherwise.
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