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Old 03-19-2018, 07:46 AM   #92
ZNPaaneah
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Default Re: Apostles in The Church: Yesterday and Today

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Originally Posted by Igzy View Post
The NT Testament only gives two solid validations of an Apostle.
  1. They were closely associated with Jesus while he was here, or with somebody who was.

  2. They could work miracles. (I don't see how you can explain away 2 Cor 12:12.)
The problem with conferring apostleship without those proofs is that it potentially puts far too much power in the hands of unqualified people.
Can you explain how the claim to being an apostle puts power in someone's hands?

I understand that Peter and Paul exhibited power, but it wasn't a result of their claim to being apostles. I also understand that if some small splinter group is affected by a personality cult they could give power to someone claiming to be an apostle, but again, the error there is in giving this man power, something that is prohibited in the NT.

If someone claims to be an evangelist it may or may not be true, but I don't see how that claim gives them power. Likewise with a prophet, teacher, etc.

It seems to my understanding of your position that you aren't really bothered by the idea that we have different gifted members for the perfecting of the saints, but rather that someone wields undo power and influence. I agree with the concern over undo power and influence but think the claim to being an apostle is merely an expression of deceit.
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