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Originally Posted by Steel
Let's leave Witness Lee and the LSM for a moment...
C.S. Lewis called the incarnation “the Grand Miracle.” He wrote: “The central miracle asserted by Christians is the Incarnation…. Every other miracle prepares for this, or exhibits this, or results from this…. It was the central event in the history of the Earth—the very thing that the whole story has been about” (Miracles, chapter 14).
And why did God work this "...Grand Miracle..."?
For the purpose of being able to work His greatest miracle... That of His transformation of fallen humanity, to that of uplifted humanity (Ephesians 2).
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I agree. To me the biggest miracle is giving men a new heart.
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Originally Posted by Steel
And uplifted humanity has no need of seeing outward miracles... Because we see God... And are one with God... And even express God.
The Israelites saw many of God's miracles and still did not believe Him.
Jesus' disciples saw many miracles and still did not believe Him.
And yet, Igzy thinks that if he could only see a miracle he would be able to accept something about the person who worked the miracle... But in saying this, has only exposed little or no regard for the greatest of all miracles that is within every born again believer in Christ Jesus.
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I don't think that is a fair representation of Igzy's position.
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Originally Posted by Steel
This is the folly that someone holds to when they no longer are holding to the God that saved them... But instead are holding to their assumed knowledge of this God.
This is the truth that scripture reveals to us...
We can know the truth about anyone and anything by simply abiding in our regenerated spirit... Where God Himself abides one with us, and we one with Him.
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I think the folly here is creating a phony position for Igzy which he did not present.
The topic is "the boundary of the church". You can argue that the "boundary" in a figure is the wall of the NJ which is built on the 12 foundations of the 12 apostles. Therefore, in a figure these 12 apostles are very important in understanding the boundary of the church.
Igzy has stated that he believes "The Apostles" refer to the 12 who fit the criteria he has cited from the NT. He is ambivalent towards whether or not we still have apostles with a small letter a, but when you are referring to "The 12" who were instrumental in turning the age and also giving us the NT, then it is a very specific group.
What history has proven to be folly is to pretend there has not been any contentious debate over what constitutes the "fellowship of the apostles" and what doesn't.