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Originally Posted by Ohio
Drake, you equivocate here (as usual.) No one is saying that you should not believe or follow the teachings of WL from the Bible that Jesus is Lord, our Savior, etc. under the anointing of the Spirit. All LC members have the liberty to do that.
But when WL covers up immorality, abuse, financial crimes, etc. of high ranking officials and family members in his ministry, and the Blended Brothers are still following a man, then we have problems here. These brothers then were forced to decide between Lee's words and the teachings of the Bible, and decide between Lee himself and the Lord Jesus.
And these bad choices thrust upon the body of Christ were what led decent men of God like John Ingalls to leave.
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Ohio,
Let's see where we agree and where we disagree.
Your post above suggests that you agree there was an anointing in Brother Lee's teachings and that to follow those is fine with you as it is with me.
Your objection concerns how the situation with PL was handled by Brother Lee and the leaders in the Lord's Recovery. You believe that how that was handled caused decent men like John Ingalls to leave.
Agree with that summary so far?
If so, where we part company is what you and I apparently do with that information. You had expectations and your disappointment caused you to leave. Perhaps you were a decent man also and could not tolerate what you deemed mishandling and/or unrighteous behavior. On the other hand, I do not place my trust in man, any man, and do not follow a man. When I say I follow the anointing I mean an anointing applied not an anointing in the air. Of course, the gifts given to the Body are anointed but it is not necessarily permanent. It is wrong to think once anointed always anointed.
Using Aaron's rod as an example, it was a dead stick in and of itself. Yet, because God selected Aaron his rod issued a manifestation of life with blossoms. Everyone who saw Aaron's rod knew by its budding he was selected by God. Apart from that Aaron was just a dead dog, a dead stick, like every person with a rod sitting next to his. As we all are. Aaron's ministry and service was based on the resurrection life (indicated in the budding of his rod). Was Aaron perfect? No, not at all. Did he makes mistakes? Yes, he did and one cost him the entry into the land of Canaan and he died on Mt. Hor never entering in. This was the Lord's judgement, yet his error did not negate his ministry and his son Eleazar carried it forward afterward. Same with Moses, his mistake of not sanctifying God in front of the assembly by striking the rock in anger prevented his entry into the good land... and yet, the water still flowed forth meaning the consequences of his mistake did not negate his ministry though it did affect his reward of the good land.
These two examples convey my thoughts as applied to this topic in this way. First, for me, and my experience, the hundreds of books and thousands of messages full of resurrection life are the budding of the rod. I do not look at the stick... I look at the life issuing from the otherwise dead stick. Secondly, in spite of mistakes, mishandling, errors in judgement, nevertheless water still flowed from the rock. I focus on the water flowing from the rock and God will judge the servant and how that servant represented God or not. Through God's servant the children of Israel were delivered from Egypt, the commandments were given, they were led into successful battle, they were supplied manna and water for forty years.. and though he made a mistake is striking the rock in anger, water still flowed.... but, does his error in judgement negate all his service? No, it did not. Some things are better left to God's righteous hand. Let Him judge his own. Follow the budding rod on the water from the Rock.
That is where we differ, Ohio. Please share your thoughts.
Drake