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countmeworthy · 08-15-2009, 04:08 PM

Manna-man,

Let me share an experience I encountered yesterday with an LSM sister..that could have led to Turmoil if I had not finally said, "You're entitled to believe Brother Lee's OPINION (on a particular point). But in the end, our focus is in Christ Jesus." To which she replied: "Amen."
The discussion began with her telling me she and some sisters were reading Lee's footnotes on the 4 horsemen. As you know he held to the OPINION, the 1st white horse was the gospel and explains why.

IMHO, MOST of the 'sheep' in Lee's fold believe Lee's OPINION. He studied, wrote it and spoke it therefore it must be 'gospel truth'.

I disagree with HIS OPINION on this conclusion. Is mine correct (that the white horse is not the gospel but the Anti-Christ) ? I don't know. But based on my findings, my research, it's more plausable to me the 1st white horse is the AC than Lee's personal explanation that the 1st white horse is the gospel. I was at the Revelation training and have read the life studies and his footnotes thank you very much.
I have done a lot of research, praying and studying. So I'm quite comfortable and confident in my findings. I tried to explain to her how I arrived at my findings but she kept interrupting with but "NO! NO! NO!! Brother Lee explains......" So I shut up. She was in the LSM mindset and wasn't going to receive anything I was going to say.

You see how TURMOIL was created on HER part towards me? After her rambling, I told her our opinions and findings are just that. JESUS is our focus. And then she shut up.

So If YOU truly believe the white horse is the gospel and have done thorough research and do not hold to your conviction because LEE said, wrote it and spoke it. Then Fine. I have no problem.[/B]But most people in the LSM always hold tight to what LEE believed and wrote on a subject matter.

When I'm expounding on a scripture, my LSM friends go right to the footnotes of the Recovery version to see what Lee wrote about it. IF my thoughts coincide with what Lee wrote, and often times they do I get a response like "WOW!! That's EXACTLY what HE wrote OR That's EXACTLY what the BROTHERS were sharing ON !!" They are beside themselves with glee !
To ME, it comes across as a relief to them that I'm 'one with them'.
and that attitude creates TURMOIL.
I sometimes use the Recovery Version as one of my cross reference bibles when trying to understand a passage. Do you or anyone in the LSM ever refer to another bible for understanding?

About a month ago, this same sister was again beside herself with a message given by one of the blendeds regarding secular rock music. The message was if a person plays a record backwards, there will be many demonic words clearly heard in them.
I think she thought he made that discovery. She had never heard that reported as probably MOST long time LCrs haven't. She called me with that 'revelation.
I simply told her I learned about that back in the 80's !! Led Zeppelin for instance supposedly casts spells on their audience when in concert..or were in concert.
So... where did the blendeds get this info from? They heard it on Christian radio or TV I'm sure...then reported it as if THEY had received the revelation.
Why do I say this? Because they never gave credit where they got it from.
Maybe they heard it from Pat Robertson but loyal to Lee's legacy, they would never admit to it. (I do NOT know where they got the info from btw.) But what would make anyone think God gave them that revelation. You really think God told them to take a secular record and play it backwards?
Now... what IF someone new to the LSM..a young believer who knew this reported it in a meeting years ago. Do you think the church would have received this sharing?
This is yet another example of how TURMOIL in the LSM is created.

........I have shared I got saved through the LC brethren leading me to the Lord and then dove right in to the church life, I give credit to where credit is due. I really got rooted and grounded in the Word of God there. In the 70's, the LC's were just starting to get into the Life studies. We still read from the KJ and the NASB for the most part. We focused on Salvation, the Blood and Sanctification ...at least in my locality AND we were also looking for the return of the LORD. We were preparing ourselves as the Bride..pure and spotless w/o blemish. For my time there, I will be forever thankful. I am equally thankful, I have MOVED ON and better yet UP!
I do a lot of studying on the Endtimes we are living in...and personally speaking, I believe we are very, very close to the Lord's return. I believe in the Rapture of the Firstfruits. I think Lee believed in this too. I also believe and think there is going to be a general harvest during the 1st half of the 7 yr Trib. Lee might also believe that. I don't really know & I don't care if he did or not.

We are living in the here and now and I'm studying the signs of the times. Based on my findings, it COULD be the Rapture might occur this year, very possible in Sept/Oct because of the Jewish Fall feasts. Many are looking at the Feast of TRUMPETS when we will put on the INCORRUPTIBLE!

If we are not raptured, I won't be disheartened for we are STILL very, very close but most importantly, I am focused on my relationship with our LORD and KING Jesus, my relationship with my/our Heavenly Father, the LORD GOD Jehova and His Holy Spirit. His Glory will usher us into the Raptureous event...which I believe is soooooooooon.

I am watchful because we are instructed to be watchful and alert and prayerful.
So....let's see......Manna-man I know for a fact there are some awesome and then not so awesome Christian conferences in our country and around the world. I've been to many. Some were absolutely anointed with the Presence of God and HIS WORD incredibly rich and life changing. Others were so-so.
Would YOU ever go to a Christian conference not being hosted by LSM? And would you go without a critical attitude?
Really...Manna-man, going to a Christian gathering not affiliated with LSM or former LSMrs is HARD for an LCr or former LCr. I've been there - done that.

I also know the Universal church which includes the LSMrs have a LOT of religious and carnal baggage attached to them. I might also but at least I ask the LORD constantly to sanctify me, purify my thoughts, my mind and to permeate my mind with HIS for I have the MIND of CHRIST. The more I speak it, the more HIS mind will be manifested in me!

08-15-2009, 04:08 PM	#10
countmeworthy Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: in Spirit & in Truth Posts: 1,377	Re: Turmoil Manna-man, Let me share an experience I encountered yesterday with an LSM sister..that could have led to Turmoil if I had not finally said, "You're entitled to believe Brother Lee's OPINION (on a particular point). But in the end, our focus is in Christ Jesus." To which she replied: "Amen." The discussion began with her telling me she and some sisters were reading Lee's footnotes on the 4 horsemen. As you know he held to the OPINION, the 1st white horse was the gospel and explains why. IMHO, MOST of the 'sheep' in Lee's fold believe Lee's OPINION. He studied, wrote it and spoke it therefore it must be 'gospel truth'. I disagree with HIS OPINION on this conclusion. Is mine correct (that the white horse is not the gospel but the Anti-Christ) ? I don't know. But based on my findings, my research, it's more plausable to me the 1st white horse is the AC than Lee's personal explanation that the 1st white horse is the gospel. I was at the Revelation training and have read the life studies and his footnotes thank you very much. I have done a lot of research, praying and studying. So I'm quite comfortable and confident in my findings. I tried to explain to her how I arrived at my findings but she kept interrupting with but "NO! NO! NO!! Brother Lee explains......" So I shut up. She was in the LSM mindset and wasn't going to receive anything I was going to say. You see how TURMOIL was created on HER part towards me? After her rambling, I told her our opinions and findings are just that. JESUS is our focus. And then she shut up. So If YOU truly believe the white horse is the gospel and have done thorough research and do not hold to your conviction because LEE said, wrote it and spoke it. Then Fine. I have no problem.[/B]But most people in the LSM always hold tight to what LEE believed and wrote on a subject matter. When I'm expounding on a scripture, my LSM friends go right to the footnotes of the Recovery version to see what Lee wrote about it. IF my thoughts coincide with what Lee wrote, and often times they do I get a response like "WOW!! That's EXACTLY what HE wrote OR That's EXACTLY what the BROTHERS were sharing ON !!" They are beside themselves with glee ! To ME, it comes across as a relief to them that I'm 'one with them'. and that attitude creates TURMOIL. I sometimes use the Recovery Version as one of my cross reference bibles when trying to understand a passage. Do you or anyone in the LSM ever refer to another bible for understanding? About a month ago, this same sister was again beside herself with a message given by one of the blendeds regarding secular rock music. The message was if a person plays a record backwards, there will be many demonic words clearly heard in them. I think she thought he made that discovery. She had never heard that reported as probably MOST long time LCrs haven't. She called me with that 'revelation. I simply told her I learned about that back in the 80's !! Led Zeppelin for instance supposedly casts spells on their audience when in concert..or were in concert. So... where did the blendeds get this info from? They heard it on Christian radio or TV I'm sure...then reported it as if THEY had received the revelation. Why do I say this? Because they never gave credit where they got it from. Maybe they heard it from Pat Robertson but loyal to Lee's legacy, they would never admit to it. (I do NOT know where they got the info from btw.) But what would make anyone think God gave them that revelation. You really think God told them to take a secular record and play it backwards? Now... what IF someone new to the LSM..a young believer who knew this reported it in a meeting years ago. Do you think the church would have received this sharing? This is yet another example of how TURMOIL in the LSM is created. ........I have shared I got saved through the LC brethren leading me to the Lord and then dove right in to the church life, I give credit to where credit is due. I really got rooted and grounded in the Word of God there. In the 70's, the LC's were just starting to get into the Life studies. We still read from the KJ and the NASB for the most part. We focused on Salvation, the Blood and Sanctification ...at least in my locality AND we were also looking for the return of the LORD. We were preparing ourselves as the Bride..pure and spotless w/o blemish. For my time there, I will be forever thankful. I am equally thankful, I have MOVED ON and better yet UP! I do a lot of studying on the Endtimes we are living in...and personally speaking, I believe we are very, very close to the Lord's return. I believe in the Rapture of the Firstfruits. I think Lee believed in this too. I also believe and think there is going to be a general harvest during the 1st half of the 7 yr Trib. Lee might also believe that. I don't really know & I don't care if he did or not. We are living in the here and now and I'm studying the signs of the times. Based on my findings, it COULD be the Rapture might occur this year, very possible in Sept/Oct because of the Jewish Fall feasts. Many are looking at the Feast of TRUMPETS when we will put on the INCORRUPTIBLE! If we are not raptured, I won't be disheartened for we are STILL very, very close but most importantly, I am focused on my relationship with our LORD and KING Jesus, my relationship with my/our Heavenly Father, the LORD GOD Jehova and His Holy Spirit. His Glory will usher us into the Raptureous event...which I believe is soooooooooon. I am watchful because we are instructed to be watchful and alert and prayerful. So....let's see......Manna-man I know for a fact there are some awesome and then not so awesome Christian conferences in our country and around the world. I've been to many. Some were absolutely anointed with the Presence of God and HIS WORD incredibly rich and life changing. Others were so-so. Would YOU ever go to a Christian conference not being hosted by LSM? And would you go without a critical attitude? Really...Manna-man, going to a Christian gathering not affiliated with LSM or former LSMrs is HARD for an LCr or former LCr. I've been there - done that. I also know the Universal church which includes the LSMrs have a LOT of religious and carnal baggage attached to them. I might also but at least I ask the LORD constantly to sanctify me, purify my thoughts, my mind and to permeate my mind with HIS for I have the MIND of CHRIST. The more I speak it, the more HIS mind will be manifested in me! __________________ Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be *accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass,* and to stand before the Son of man. (Luke 21:36)